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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Will Waymo accept when society starts killing robotaxis? Feels like self defense.

[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Her death?

Edit: I'm getting the 'famous last words' vibes of Charlie Kirk. She is going to be killed by one of her cars.

[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Well shit, let the CEO Luigi himself then, for his shareholders.

[-] Cactopuses@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Uber had a fatal crash, albeit with a safety driver who was distracted at the time. There was uproar and Uber scaled back their venture but society largely moved past it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54175359

[-] JakenVeina@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

Misleading headline is misleading.

The full statement was about society accepting this in the context of autonomous vehicles also drastically reducing these deaths, overall. Which, yeah, society will likely accept that, given that we already "accept" quite a lot of traffic deaths.

To be clear, I still think this is all crap. We all know that what's actually gonna happen is that when this kind of accident happens, the companies will be functionally immune from liability. People harmed or killed by these autonomous vehicles will have no recourse to hold anyone accountable. Not to mention the VAST assumptions baked into "autonomous vehicles will reduce traffic deaths"

[-] besselj@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Notice how they say nothing about taking responsibility for robotaxi deaths when they happen.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Except for the third and fourth paragraphs.

[-] besselj@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Perhaps accountability is a better word to use. Where in the 3rd and 4th paragraphs? I don't have access to Archive on my VPN rn, but nowhere in the linked article do they talk about holding companies that control and own robots to the same level of accountability as an individual.

The most interesting part of the interview arrived when Korosec brought on a thought experiment. What if self-driving vehicles like Waymo and others reduce the number of traffic fatalities in the United States, but a self-driving vehicle does eventually cause a fatal crash, Korosec pondered. Or as she put it to the executive: “Will society accept that? Will society accept a death potentially caused by a robot?”

“I think that society will,” Mawakana answered, slowly, before positioning the question as an industrywide issue. “I think the challenge for us is making sure that society has a high enough bar on safety that companies are held to.”

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 2 months ago

We're already accepting an alphabet agency adjacent mobile surveillance unit so...

[-] workerONE@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

About 3700 people die every day in motor vehicle crashes. 1.35 million per year.

Why wouldn't you allow a safer alternative to human operators?

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 month ago

We already have a safer alternative, it's called rail

[-] workerONE@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Rail only goes where the infrastructure is built out. Heavy deliveries and cargo need some method of completing the last leg of the route, even if there is a rail line nearby. How is a train an alternative to a vehicle that can drive down a dirt road? You just have millions of trains running everywhere all the time even when the routes are rarely used?

Last time I had a discussion like this people were saying we didn't need trucks, that we can just use fleets of cargo bicycles.

[-] themusicman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

If the only road vehicles were occasional 20kph last mile delivery vehicles and emergency services, our roads and cities could look drastically different. Outside cities, this doesn't really apply and we probably still need traditional road vehicles.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Crazy idea and just throwing this out there, what if we dont acturally need suburbs in America? They're absolutely horrible for space efficiency, they're environmentally expensive, and create the conditions that require cars. Nobody really needs two or three guest bedrooms and lets be honest front lawns are useless (they also look ugly).

Now im not saying we should just demolish peoples houses. What I am saying is that no new suburban housing should be developed and over time through laws the suburbs should be destroyed. Rual areas can have their roads tho.

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Trains, bicycles, and walkable infrastructure would be far safer, cheaper, and more sustainable.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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