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He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien. ICE using a mobile biometrics app in ways its developers at CBP never intended or tested is a frightening, repugnant, and unconstitutional attack on Americans’ rights and freedoms.”

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[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

“ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien. ICE using a mobile biometrics app in ways its developers at CBP never intended or tested is a frightening, repugnant, and unconstitutional attack on Americans’ rights and freedoms.”

Now they have a way to effectively revoke someone's citizenship. All they have to do is change your status in the app to "noncitizen." No need to go through the court. Just have some code that lets them flag citizens as noncitizens. They want you gone? Just flag your identity in the app as a foreign national. The agents in the field then scan your face and it reports you as an illegal immigrant. You object and show them all your legal documents, but they've been told the app is infallible. You're taken to detention, and the guards there simply scan your face and report you as an illegal every time you protest. "The app is infallible" they repeat. Before you have a chance to challenge it in court, you've rotting in a prison camp in rural Liberia.

[-] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Funny, this is what my republican parents were always afraid of

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

Afraid of, or confessing a desire to inflict upon others?

[-] rossome@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago
[-] st3ph3n@midwest.social 7 points 2 months ago

Interesting how it is the cowards hiding behind their masks scanning peoples' faces.

[-] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And the same ones who refused to wear face masks during Covid.

[-] pageflight@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

What would it take to scan/image through cloth masks?

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Nothing, it’s not magic. Anyone telling you otherwise is either a lying huckster or a colossal dumbass.

[-] reev@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

You joke but the answer is actually a OnePlus 8 Pro.

[-] pageflight@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Hmm, seems like it's just missing the low IR cutoff filter, so you could mod any dSLR to do the same. I can't tell if it sees through masks well enough for facial recognition though.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

It does not.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

Unlikely, without special enhancement. Those materials are not IR-transparent.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

@Arcka@midwest.social care to explain what’s inaccurate about this statement?

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 months ago

Facial recognition probably relies on visible wavelengths, but you could probably train a neural network to plausibly convert an IR image to visible if paired with a visible light image of the unmasked portion. While generated images on their own aren't useful for recognition, I think an IR image would probably give enough information to make the generation useful.

All face recognition is unreliable though, so no one, especially not a government agency, should use it as a single point of proof about the actual identity of the photographed person.

[-] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

TSA and Customs both scan your face instead of your ID/ passport now for adults. It seems like the government has confidence in it?

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

They know who you claim to be and are checking whether your face matches that passport photo. They're not just letting anyone in who looks like one of the 330M Americans.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

We should start to pull their masks off. Seriously. Get a crowd a people big enough to protect the ones pulling them off.

No law enforcement should be masked.

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 2 months ago

I'd be afraid to do it because they'd kill me. What do you propose

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

They would at the very least arrest you and charge you with assault on a law enforcement officer, a felony.

Unless you run really fast, then you get a free punisher facemask

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 0 points 2 months ago

it sounds like pulling masks off ICE isn't a realistic option

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I would never say that it was

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This reeks of bullshit by ICE, they can't verify citizenship from a face, because AFAIK there is no database of citizenship faces.

It is way more likely to be run against for instance criminal arrest photo databases.
There may be other segments they can take from like military and DMV, but they can't say that because they don't have a photo match that people aren't citizens.
It can only in a very limited percentage of cases confirm citizenship, and most of those will be people who have papers like a drivers license on them already.

This is probably part of the ongoing scare campaign, and serves very little practical purpose.

[-] lividweasel@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

The “facial recognition” might just do this:

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

100% This. This is entirely bullshit. This is likely illegal.

[-] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

You can't do a fascism!! That's illegal!

[-] muffedtrims@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

*Palantir enters the chat

[-] diablexical@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What about the face scans through TSA and customs? I assumed those were going into every 3 letter agencies databases.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It's very likely that they're using a facial recognition database made up of photos from immigration. People on visas, people who've been previously deported, etc.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Dude it doesn't matter if it's legitimate or not, it will just be used as a cudgel against "undesirables" including political opponents.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 0 points 2 months ago

TSA has been scanning people's faces at security checkpoints for several years now. I've been opting out every time because I figured building a facial recognition database was the end goal.

they can't say that because they don't have a photo match that people aren't citizens.

Sure, sure, until they start doing it and no one stops them.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Opting out how? They have automatically-assembled video footage of you from the moment you stepped out of the vehicle you took to the airport up until the moment you walked off the jetway onto your flight.

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

The ice issue exists to make palantir money.

[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

When the regime falls, ICE agents are going to learn how easily they are identified, and brought to justice.

As it turns out, assaulting citizens and trampling their basic human rights, makes them get very, very good at crowd sourcing and building databases of ICE agent information.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

They're collecting a paycheck, it should be easy to prosecute the ones who break the law.

[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Presumably, the right people are compiling that data now, to get ahead of the inevitable frantic attempt to scrub the records.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They literally aren’t getting paid. That’s how shitty and racist they are. They’re willing to ruin their lives for free, on the odd chance they get to zip tie little girls.

[-] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

How much can make up fool biometrics? Like can I use dollar store make up to change my face?

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

Some. The easier way is failing face detection

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

people need to start, on the street, trying to collect DNA off of ICE/CBP and storing it for future use

[-] svc@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 2 months ago
[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 1 points 2 months ago

or just steal their masks

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

Stop-and-frisk/Terry Stops are apparently legal in Illinois, and in most states, if an officer has reasonable suspicion which (as not-a-lawyer) I think taking the picture to run facial recognition counts as a frisk. The current temporary ruling is that existing with brown skin is a reasonable suspicion of illegal immigration crime to this Supreme Court.

So, really, all you can do is give your real name, ask for a lawyer and ask if you are being detained or if you may leave the area. If you're let go, calmly notify others in person and online of ICE activity. If you're being arrested, get others' attention by raising your voice letting people know to get their badge and plate numbers.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Did Nazi Germany actually make a law that made being Jewish illegal? Or did they just do all the persecution without a legal basis?
Seems to me that ICE is moving further and further away from an actual legal basis for their activities, ignoring civil rights based on very questionable argument that the suspects are not citizens, although obviously many of the people they confront are.

Also even if they aren't citizens doesn't mean they don't have rights, except in a fascist country that ignores human rights.
But the idea that only citizens have rights, is a huge argument for staying far away from USA as for instance a tourist and for business travel too.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Did Nazi Germany actually make a law that made being Jewish illegal? Or did they just do all the persecution without a legal basis?

They started by booting all Jews from civil service, and then continued taking away rights, month by month.

[-] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I missed the part in the fourth amendment that mentions citizens.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't think the legality of the sitiation matters. If the app makes a mistake, you could end up in a cell or on a flight with none of your comms for help. And that's if you have anyone who can help. If I were a US citizen, I'd wear a mask on me, put it on and move in the opposite direction of any law enforcement I encounter.

[-] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago

It is kinda scary and exciting, if you have been in City 17

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Exciting? Go fuck yourself

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