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[-] AnAverageSnoot@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

AI is funded solely by sunk cost fallacy at this point. I wonder how long it will be before investments start getting pulled back because of a lack of ROI. I can already feel the sentiment towards AI and it getting pushed in everything turning negative amongst consumers recently.

[-] Taldan@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I wouldn't have a problem if they were actually investing the money in something useful like R&D

Nearly all the investment is in data centers. Their approach for the past 2 years seems to be just throwing more hardware at existing approaches, which is a really great way to burn an absurd amount of money for little to nothing in return

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

One of our biggest bookstores contracted with a local artist for some merch. That artist used AI with predictable results. Now everyone involved is getting raked over the coals for it.

No surprise, they just announced a 4th round of layoffs too. 😟

https://lithub.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-powells-ai-slop-snafu-and-what-we-can-all-learn-from-it/

https://www.koin.com/news/portland/powells-layoffs-employees-10292025/

[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Investment is done really to train models for ever more miniscule gains. I feel like the current choices are enough to satisfy who is interested in such services, and what really is lacking is now more hardware dedicated to single user sessions to improve quality of output with the current models.

But I really want to see more development on offline services, as right now it is really done only by hobbyists and only occasionally large companies with a little dripfeed (Facebook Llama, original Deepseek model [latter being pretty much useless as no one has the hardware to run it]).

I remember seeing the Samsung Galaxy Fold 7 ("the first AI phone", unironic cit.) presentation and listening to them talking about all the AI features instead of the real phone capabilities. "All of this is offline, right? A powerful smartphone... makes sense to have local models for tasks." but it later became abundantly clear it was just repackaged always-online Gemini for the entire presentation on $2000 of hardware.

[-] mcv@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

They're investing this much because they honestly seem to think they're on the cusp of super intelligent AGI. They're not, but they really seem to think they are, and that seems to justify these insane investments.

But all they're really doing is the same thing as before but even bigger. It's not going to work. It's only going to make things even more expensive.

I use Copilot and Claude at work, and while it's really impressive at what it can do, it's also really stupid and requires a lot of hand holding. It's not on the brink of AGI super intelligence. Not even close. Maybe we'll get there some day, but not before all these companies are bankrupt.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago

I knew it was a bubble since Computex January 2024 when Derb8uer showed an "AI PC case". He asked "What's AI about this PC case?" and they replied that you could put an AI PC inside it.

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[-] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

When I lose $11 Billion dollars, I have to go to bed without supper.

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

If you owe the bank $100, that’s your problem; if you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem.

[-] Kirp123@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

The difference between 100 million and 11.5 billion is about 11 billion. If you own a bank 11 billion that's not only that bank's problem, it's the economy's problem.

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[-] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Don’t worry. An XBOX will cost 1400$ soon to help make up for it.

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lol. lmao, even

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago
[-] happyfullfridge@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

they will somehow shift the cost on the consumer and continue on

[-] tonytins@pawb.social 4 points 3 months ago

I thought for-profit companies were supposed to make a profit...

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Well actually there is a long and rich history of companies that are able to operate at a loss using funds appropriated from sale of shares to investors, and this process continues so long as new investors keep buying in such that anybody selling out is covered by the new funds until enough people try to sell out that the price starts to plunge, although the collapse can be delayed by the company strategically buying back and occasionally splitting or reorganizing, meaning everyone gets their money back unless they sell too late.

You know.

A fucking Ponze Scheme.

[-] reptar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Well that's a damn good post Mr banjo

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[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

Oh honey, that hasn't been true since 2008.

The government will bail out companies that get too big to fail. So investors want to loan money to companies so that those companies become too big to fail, so that when those investors "collect on their debt with interest" the government pays them.

They funded Uber, which lost 33 billion dollars over the course of 7 years before ever turning a profit, but by driving taxi companies out of business and lobbying that public transit is unnecessary, they're an unmissable part of society, so investors will get their dues.

They funded Elon Musk, whose companies are the primary means of communication between politicians and the public, a replacing NASA as the US government's primary space launch provider for both civilian and military missions, and whose prestige got a bunch of governments to defund public transit to feed continued dependence on car companies. So investors will get their dues through military contracts and through being able to threaten politicians with a media blackout.

And so they fund AI, which they're trying to have replace so many essential functions that society can't run without it, and which muddies the waters of anonymous interaction to the point that people have no choice but to only rely on information that has been vetted by institutions - usually corporations like for-profit news.

The point of AI is not to make itself so desirable that people want to give AI companies money to have it in their life. The point of AI is to make people more dependent on AI and on other corporations that the AI company's owners own.

[-] ReHomed@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 months ago

Good.

Fuck AI, send it directly to hell.

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[-] Doorknob@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Who wants to give me a billion dollars to dig a hole and I'll give you a billion to fill it back in and we'll both say to investors we posted a billion dollars in revenue.

[-] blueamigafan@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I look forward to the AI bubble bursting, and billionaires looking shocked, 'because there were no signs'

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[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

What? The line goes up? Where I can invest my life savings in the IPO?

[-] jlow@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago
[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Did they check the couch cushions?

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[-] Soleos@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Fuck AI, it's a bubble, etc. But I do wonder how much of the spending is actual revenue-generating operating costs and how much is further investment/R&D. I doubt Sam Altman sees spending Microsoft's billions on whatever tf he wants as a loss.

[-] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Move fast and burn everything down

[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

So, #FuckAI?

[-] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 1 points 3 months ago

But when will i get cheap GPUs

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

Considering how many trillions quietly went into the field, I expect that's a LOT lower than real numbers.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

Is that why MSFT dumped like 3.5% today?

[-] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Maybe, just maybe, the bubble started bursting now.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Would be nice, I want to buy some ETFs at a discount

[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 3 months ago

I wish. Even knowing it's all a gigantic scam, they'll first protect themselves before letting it burst and screw everybody else. The rich get a buffer period.

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[-] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago

What's the deal with the "HPE" in some Register articles? It's apparently the Hewlett-Packard Enterprise logo, but articles about HPE don't appear to have that logo.

Is The Register affiliated with HPE now?

[-] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

is this $11,500,000,000 in real money or speculative money?

[-] msage@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago
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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

This reminds me of something that came up recently. Copilot started hallicinating quite a bit more than usual in Copilot reviews. That made me think about the cost of operarion. As they burn money like this, I won't be surprised if they start decreasing inference quality to decrease cost per user. Which also means people relying on certain model behaviour for tasks could get nasty surprises. Especially within automation workflows where model outputs aren't being reviewed.

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