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Senator Jeanne Shaheen just threw the minority leader under the bus.

Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time about the plan for a few Democrats to capitulate to Republicans on the government shutdown.

Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.

Aside from serving as further proof that the Democrats are failing to act as an opposition party in any meaningful way, Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.

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[-] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago

I feel like the plan they’re going for now is to make the shutdown a next year’s problem. It’s pretty much guaranteed to happen again at this point in 2026, right around re-elections again too.

If the pinky swear promises don’t come to fruition, then it’s likely going to be a worse shutdown than this one was. That doesn’t bode well for Republicans at midterms if those promises aren’t kept by that same token.

What will suck is people are going to have another year of higher costs because of the knock-on effects of the tariffs and higher insurance premiums now due to the ACA cuts.

Blue states need to be making up the difference for what the Federal government has failed to deliver on. We need each other more than ever to weather the storm of financial hardship caused by the Republicans in office.

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[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

There is no hope left. The only cure for the corruption is to cut it out. Guillotines make for an excellent blade for excision.

[-] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Part of the reason there is no hope is comments like these.

You aren't going to do that, so stop focusing on fictional power fantasies.

[-] Aermis@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

As opposed to what? Fantasies on voting ourselves into progress? Fantasies on believing some candidate is going to save us? We all voted for Bernie in 2016. We're all voting against Trump. America is pissed. Where is our outrage supposed to be aimed at and what can we do?

[-] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

As opposed to what? Fantasies on voting ourselves into progress?

These aren't fantasies. They're at least plausible.

Fantasies on believing some candidate is going to save us?

Beliefs that any one person can save you are part of the problem.

We all voted for Bernie in 2016.

Yeah, and you keep voting for progressive elements within the only party that is even possible to shift towards that element until you've taken them over. It takes a shit ton of time, is unfun, and wont get you anything near instant results, but its the cards you're dealt. You deal with them or don't.

We’re all voting against Trump. America is pissed. Where is our outrage supposed to be aimed at and what can we do?

Discouraging people from doing anything is the opposite of helpful though, and encouraging people is something you can do. That along with participating in more than just federal politics.

[-] Aermis@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I still can't get used to being quote replied. It's weird. Feels like being dissected.

Anyways. History doesn't show substantial victory in voting. Voting keeps a citizen government moving policies around slowly. Unfortunately our current system is anything but by the people It's chaos, uncertain, and most definitely untenable to people. This is a government of blue corporates who want a president with decorum to make deals with the world, and red oligarchs who thrive on the chaos, privatization, and a rauntier economy. Unfortunately the past 10 years the oligarchs have won. No 4 year Biden presidency is going to fix what the country has become. Not a 2 term social democratic administration can fix this without absolutely dismantling what the country has become. And unfortunately that is going to be violent.

Aristotle wrote when the oligarchal system is created with the inequities we see now, the only two choices are tyranny or revolution.

[-] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Even in your comment you point out it won't be fixed in one term as if that's the expectation, but that's what I'm talking about here. It was never going to be 1, 2 or even 3 terms. Its a long, slow process.

When people don't see immediate rapid change and give up, instead waiting for it to get so bad, it gets even worse (fictional revolution thinking), this just makes the system as it is more entrenched. They'll happily keep you at bay.

[-] Aermis@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I'm trying to tell you there's no slow process change out of this administration. Neither party cares for the people at large and neither will give up power without revolutionary thinking. Even if a Biden like presidency and administration runs for the next 12 years the American people will not be better off. And unfortunately the alternative that is needed for the people isn't one that has a foot in the door to even start the slow process rolling. Look at Mamdani. The backlash is heavy and he hasn't even started.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Billionaires are desperate to turn people away from the Dem party, because they can't buy the next Dem presidential primary.

You're pissed at Schumer? Good, he's a giant ineffectual piece of shit

But now that he doesn't have a corrupt DNC behind him, his days in office are numbered. So are the rest of the neoliberals and especially the ones who voted with republicans.

Don't blame the party for what single digit number of assholes did. And definitely don't leave the party by refusing to vote in Dem primaries.

Even if there's nothing that could ever make you vote D in the general again, vote in every D primary and pull them left as hard as you can.

The only way neoliberals get the DNC back, is if people don't vote in the next Dem presidential primary, a neoliberal squeaks thru, and if they become president, they name a neoliberal chair.

And neoliberals aren't above sabotaging the Dem party to get the reins back.

It like the buy/sell ads for gold...

When billionaire owned media shits on the Dem party, it means the DNC is against billionaires.

When billionaire owned media supports the Dem party, it's because they own it

[-] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 month ago

Well said, we need to work with those who support us and cut out the bootlickers.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wait wait - so the minority leader knew what his party was doing??!?

“No, we kept leadership informed throughout,” Shaheen responded. “And I think it’s important to remember who’s responsible for why we got into this shutdown. We are here because we are concerned about the health care costs rising significantly on millions of Americans, and we didn’t have any indication before the shutdown started that our Republican colleagues were willing to address it.

Normally TNR isn’t as fucky but “either he was scheming the whole time or he’s unable to control his party” is pretty much the most uncharitable spin that can possibly be put on it.

It seems like they got a guaranteed healthcare vote which they didn’t have before (MAGAs were just going to trash it then move on and not speak of it again), they got everyone’s jobs back, they got everyone guaranteed back pay, and they got language to say the MAGAts won’t do that again.

Not to mention we cleaned their fucking clock in the elections, and everyone gets food and gets to travel to see their families during the busiest travel-and-food-related holiday of the year. Plus, they’ll see them back at the OK corral in January to lock in the healthcare or else we go again.

Federal workers get paychecks, which, kind of a big deal normally but more so at holiday season, and they racked up some wins while the republicans got a funded three months.

It doesn’t look like the huge “blink” right-wing-owned corporate news sewers want to paint it as.

OH! AND the House will swear in our deciding Epstein vote, which should make for some interesting holiday reading for all the MAGAts and those of us who may see them on the holidays.

That might be the whole shootin’ match, really. Healthcare subsidy vote notwithstanding.

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[-] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Huh, she went on Fox News to drop this? And late last night Ro Kahnna immediately started posting on X about Schumer needing to go? And he's been on a press circuit all day since saying the same thing.

If there was anybody tied to this who had a history of using the press to spread narratives and help orchestrate coups, I would say this almost has all the normal markings of an orchestrated coup. Nobody immediately comes to mind though so, oh well.

[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

I'm calling it now.

Israel told this lot to cave so the US Gov would reopen because Israel is plotting something.

Maybe they're gearing up to attack Iran again.

Maybe they're prepping to fully annex Palestine.

Idk why, but we know Israel has a firm grip on the GOP and most Dems. It wouldn't surprise me if they need the US gov open and just functional enough to send them more bombs and arms to slaughter more innocent neighbors.

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