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submitted 1 year ago by TDCN@feddit.dk to c/fuck_cars@lemmy.ml

One of these has definitely hauled more than the other, and i guarantee you it's not the ford.

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[-] iByteABit@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I can't take cars like this seriously, I just assume whoever drives them is a total piece of shit

[-] TDCN@feddit.dk 0 points 1 year ago

You never know. Maybe he needs if he works in the near by forrest. While I agree on the first part about not taking it seriously, I never want to assume people are pieces of shit without talking to them first.

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

Emotional support vehicles

[-] light_martyr@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

As an American, this is a SMALL truck. Too many of the fuckers here drive trucks that would crush both cars and keep going with a gentle bump... oh lord my Country is tragic...

[-] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The F150 was the most sold car in the US last year. I've never seen so much of those in Montreal CA in over 20 years. We.are.doomed.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago

Wasn't this mostly because of the semiconductor shortage?

Takes nearly as many components for a small cheap car as it does for a massive expensive one, so they focused the manufacturing on the big one and they've even had to cut back on that.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Increase fuel taxes and it will reward smaller cars. Inflation has tanked below to within targets while interest rates are still high. The market is primed for tax increases as the BoC loosens it's monetary policy.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The CAFE footprint standard has made the huge truck count as more efficient than a small car towards the fleet standards. Then they make up the last bit by buying offsets from Tesla, which is what actually keeps Tesla in business.

[-] TauZero@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Wait wait, WHAT? If you buy a tesla you don't even get to feel smug about saving the environment, because they already sold off the smugness to someone else?

[-] Vub@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You don’t see those very often in Europe but when we do it’s always a good laugh followed by a sad sigh. What an ugly piece of crap.

[-] ChojinDSL@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Gotta stuff those fat americans in there somehow.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

The sad thing is that they're not even that roomy. Something like a skoda superb beats this ford truck hands down when it comes to leg room.

So:

  • not that great off-road (too heavy, too wide, too long, not enough weight on rear wheels)
  • not great at transporting stuff, because the load bed is open.
  • not fuel efficient (and low range)
  • less safe (higher chance of roll over, takes longer to stop, lower safety standards compared to regular cars)
  • poor visibility (too high, don't see pedestrians + low obstacles)
  • not that roomy
  • not that comfortable
  • poor handling

A common argument is 'it can tow stuff', which is also silly because you can do that with a far smaller car too.

So it's a fashion statement or virtue signaler. I mean, obviously we all hate it, but the people that buy these kind of trucks usually get off on that. They're virtue signaling to their (internet) friends.

[-] AstralJaeger@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I‘m always surprised at how well those 2 wheel drive Fiat Panda‘s perform. We mostly use it for our farm because it can‘t really get stuck, or we haven‘t managed to get it stuck in 11 years. They also fit a decent amount of luggage!

[-] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I would love to see the smaller car that can tow a 35 foot 5th wheel trailer.

Or the van that can haul 12 foot logs stacked 6 feet deep.

Or carry two 1000liter water totes and allow them to be filled from the overhead hose that is provided by the municipality.

Or pull a trailer with a rented excavator.

The point here isn't to argue. But I do get pretty tired of these threads just shitting on trucks for fun. They don't make sense for non tradespeople living in a city. But I could not do with one vehicle if that vehicle wasn't a pickup.

I'm building a homestead from scratch where I had to cut the trees of the forest down in order to make room to put my trailer to live in. Without the truck I could not haul the trailer all the way to the mill, all the milled wood back, and carry all of the things that I need to build the house. While still giving me 4 seats so that my nephews have a seat when I pick them up.

Edit to add: Mine is also dirty, dented, scratched, and abused. I don't have time to make a work machine shiny, I have work to do.

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah but people are specifically criticizing the people who buy trucks to show off in the city, not people who actually use them for what they were made to do

[-] LucyLastic@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

You can tow an excavator, etc etc, with a Ford Transit. Hell, they can still drive ok if you stuff enough crushed cars in the back to get a curb weight of 3 tons.

Meanwhile a 1/2 ton pickup looks like it's struggling with half a ton in the tiny tiny bed.

[-] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

You are going to want to check your numbers on that transit van.

My 250 has three times the towing capacity of the transit, and the transit can't pull a 5th wheel.

And an E45 bobcat (which is small relative to some machines I pull )is twice as heavy as the tow capacity of the transit, without considering tongue weight or the bulky trailer needed to haul such a thing.

I get it. Most people don't need it. I do.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Here's a VW Touareg towing a Boeing 747:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmM-635RR6o

150 tonnes.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

Pickups suck at literally everything they try to do. They are the worst of all worlds.

[-] cocaine_hegel@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Fiat Panda gang Fiat Panda gang

[-] c0mplexx@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

for a community called fuck cars the simping for a car is rather interesting

[-] esty@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

Not everyone that's anti car has the luxury of living in a city that's not built around the automobile

[-] drdiemz@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Imagine getting this worked uo about one of the smallest trucks on the market. You can't make this shit up!

I hope you find peace, friend

[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Especially when following the law that the larger the car, the less capable the driver.

I went to the philharmony last Sunday, and the number of people with large and expensive cars who were less than capable to park them properly in an underground car park was hilarious.

[-] lucien@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

Parking a large truck is also just plain harder.

  • Parking spaces are smaller relative to the size of your car
  • Sitting high up with a huge hood in front means there's less visibility in front
  • Longer cars make it more difficult to judge distance using your mirrors, somewhat eased by the requirement for parking cameras.
  • Longer cars generally have a longer wheelbase, making a worse turning radius

The only saving grace as a driver is that heavier cars can be safer for their occupants, at the cost of everyone else's safety... which most would consider a negative.

[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Parking spaces are smaller relative to the size of your car

Nope, the caris too big to park in a normal parking lot.

Sitting high up with a huge hood in front means there’s less visibility in front

No, the car was built in a way it shouldn't, because it does not allow the driver to drive responsible

Longer cars make it more difficult to judge distance using your mirrors, somewhat eased by the requirement for parking cameras.

No. One can learn to adapt to any size of cars and trucks, but most fat pickup drivers don't care to invest the brain capacity to do so.

Longer cars generally have a longer wheelbase, making a worse turning radius

Well, if you cannot drive, you cannot drive. If the problem that you cannot drive is because of a design failure of the car, you chose the wrong car.

[-] Nobsi@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago

For a few seconds i was thinking of importing a Nissan Armada to Germany. Then i came to my senses and got a Taycan.
Why did i want an Armada? What happened in my brain that made me go "big car cool need"

[-] SlamDrag@beehaw.org -1 points 1 year ago

What I dislike about these threads is that it always devolves into shitting on blue collar workers. Of course pickups are useless city cars but have you all ever met somebody from a town of 1,000 people where every single person works in a blue collar trade? These things do work that you can't do in a different type of vehicle.

Threads like this are echo chambers of privilege. Maybe instead of shitting on tradespeople, shit on car and oil companies who enshittify the whole system.

Also pickups in 2023 that look like this are more powerful and more fuel efficient than more modest looking pickups from 90s or 00s. You may not like the aesthetics of it, but who fucking cares, you're not driving it, you're just the one judging someone else for having different taste.

[-] psivchaz@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, there are legitimate uses. However, trucks and SUVs account for 80% of car sales in the US. 80% is NOT representative of the number of people who actually need a truck or SUV.

Trucks and SUVs kill more people, because they are bigger and heavier and have less visibility. They run over more children, because the hoods are so high you could lose track of a whole kindergarten class standing in front of them. They are more efficient than they used to be, but still drastically less efficient than a sedan or station wagon.

I don't judge someone for having different tastes. I judge someone for letting their aesthetic choices cause them to do more harm to the planet, and endanger more people, and risk the lives of their own children (because that's who they're most likely to run over because they can't see them).

If you need a truck or SUV for your job or because you actually haul a lot, or maybe because you have accessibility needs for a bigger vehicle, great. Enjoy. But that is NOT 80% of people.

[-] hellomiakoda@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I haul stuff sometimes... So I got an older AWD wagon. Fantastic visibility, could haul more than I need, decent MPG. I do not understand these cars getting bigger and bigger. The newer version of my Outback is a monstrosity as well. I'm pretty sure I'll be driving cars 2010 and older till I can't get them anymore.

[-] kozy138@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Also work vans are superior to pickup trucks in almost every way.

And the comment you're replying to didn't mention anything about how over the years, the size of truck beds has shrunk, while the cab has grown. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it's utility...

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

If you actually need a truck, you wouldn't be buying the one on the right.

[-] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Now I disapprove of our car centric society as much as anyone, but there are definitely legitimate business reasons for a 150 sized pickup. I run a landscaping business and use a truck slightly smaller to haul my tools including a trailer with a riding mower (electric for whatever it's worth, and I'd rather convert the lawn to native meadow but I do what they pay for so I mows the grasses.) Carpenters and other tradespersons, except the really heavy stuff like masonry, would use a truck this size, and even ones who may prefer something bigger like stone and concrete guys may only be able to afford this, and it gets the job done. Could it be done with Kee trucks and sprinter vans? If the ranges weren't so wide. Here a tradesman might need to take themselves, their helper, and 2 people's worth of tools and supplies an hour away, daily. I wish we had trains, local supply depots, etc. But for the system that's been built already, for people who can't change it today but need to go to work today, there are good reasons for some of that size of truck. It's much smaller than most, though I do agree something smaller would be nice if viable.

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