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[-] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 52 points 3 days ago
[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

I cannot comprehend what the fuck harfbuzz does.

I tried to implement my own because "I don't need all the features, I'm gonna render self-to-right western text with very few font features". But holly fuck, the font format documentation is barely non-existent. And when I tried my naive solution it was like 10000x (or more) slower than harfbuzz.

[-] chellomere@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

HarfBuzz does opentype shaping, that is, transforming strings of unicode characters to lists of glyphs with positioning. The significance of this can be hard to understand for someone used to the latin script, as that needs very little shaping - kerning is often the only thing that's absolutely necessary.

But in complex scripts, most notably the Indic, there's a lot going on. Unicode characters can merge into one glyph under circumstances, or one character can split into several, and relative positioning in both the x and y axis is imperative.

A reason that OpenType shaping is complex is that part of the rules for what to do will be found in the font, and part will need to be hard-coded in the code implementing it.

If you're going to roll your own text renderer, you'll have to care about the following areas:

  • Rasterization/rendering to bitmaps, including hinting (notoriously difficult, old-style TrueType hinting instructions are bytecode, so you'll be writing a tiny VM for this)
  • Shaping (Kerning at a minimum, full OpenType shaping for international support)
  • BiDi (for full international support, primarily Hebrew and Perso-Arabic)
  • A caching system for rendered text glyphs and shaped text runa, as it will be too slow to perform this each time you want to render some text

Let's just say that I do not recommend going this route unless you're prepared to spend a lot of time on it.

[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've got all that. I just needed to convert a string of characters into a list of glyph IDs.

For context, I'm doing a code editor.

I don't use harfbuzz for shaping or whatever, since I planned on rendering single lines of mono spaced text. I can do everything except string->glyphs conversion.

Just trying to implement basic features such as ligatures is incredibly hard, since there's almost no documentation. Therefore you can't make assumptions that are necessary to take shortcuts and make optimizations. I don't know if harfbuzz uses a source of documentation that I haven't been able to find, or maybe they are just way smarter than me, or if fonts are made in a way that they work with harfbuzz instead of the other way around.

As someone trying to have as little dependencies as possible, it is a struggle. But at the same time, harfbuzz saved me soo much time.

EDIT: I don't do my own glyph rasterization, but that's because I haven't gotten to it yet, so I do use a library. I don't know if it's going to be harder than string->glyphs, but I doubt so.

[-] chellomere@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It would make sense that a code editor could use a more limited subset of text rendering that could be more optimized.

Perhaps a bit surprisingly, Microsoft actually has pretty good documentation on OpenType. Here's info on what shaping applies to "standard" scripts:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/script-development/standard

And here's the landing page for the latest OpenType spec:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/opentype/spec/

Specifically for ligatures, you're looking for the liga feature which is specified in the font's GSUB table.

[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 days ago

Cloudflare would be more like a leaf covering the image because you don't need it to operate the stack, you need it to work in order to be able to see what it's doing.

[-] silver@das-eck.haus 20 points 3 days ago

Definitely us-east-1 instead of 2, nobody (any fortune 500) has time for all that resiliency. Or even the patience for changing the region in the console. Ask me how I know

[-] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

I do hate having to switch regions in the console.

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago

When you log into the console and all your shits gone and you start to have a mild panic, when you suddenly realise it's switched you to a different region.

[-] yagurlreese@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

us east 1 not 2 xD but truth

[-] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 days ago

Well you know which one is next

[-] carrylex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago
[-] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 3 points 3 days ago

This ~~stack~~ meme has LAYERS

[-] jsalvador@programming.dev 9 points 3 days ago

I understand the concept, but the autistic engineer I have inside is a bit uncomfy with the design of this pile, implying that AWS depends on Azure.

[-] aaaaaaaaargh@feddit.org 16 points 3 days ago

I wouldn't mind the open source part, at least we can see why it breaks.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 15 points 3 days ago

There’s always that one Microsoft engineer who is annoyed about OpenSSH being slightly slower

[-] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Are you talking about the one that detected the malware in openSSH?

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Giving winring0 vibes.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

an npm library to right pad strings is somewhere in there.

this post was submitted on 20 Nov 2025
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