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Now. Why am I wrong for Libre

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[-] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 76 points 1 week ago

Whoever stole my MS office, I'll find you. You have my Word.

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I hate you so much.

Have my upvote.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

PowerPoints at you, enthusiastically.

[-] boeman@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago
[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago

I cannot Access the words to describe this.

[-] SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago

Want to work with .docx files written in English from someone who lives in a country whose main language isn't English? Better enjoy all your English words being marked as mispelt because fuck you.

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[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wanna know something fun about Office?
The keyboard shortcuts are localized.

YES, REALLY.

If you press Ctrl+S when running in Portuguese, it doesn't save, it underlines the word instead (Because the word for it is "Sublinhar").

Whoever is responsible for this decision won't die, when their time comes they'll be swallowed alive by the earth and welcomed into the 10th circle of hell, created for them exclusively.

The 11th circle is reserved for he who decided to localize the Excel Formula Functions too.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

I sure am glad I just use English on all my devices despite it not being my native language.

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[-] FalschgeldFurkan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

The commands in Excel are localised too, and if you want to change languages you'd have to install some language pack. And I think that due to admin lockdown policies in Windows, if you have to work on a restricted company machine, you won't even be able to do that because you don't have permission to install stuff

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[-] wieson@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

Well, Ctrl+S is def what I would expect my programme to do for saving. But for Italics I want nothing else but Strg+Umschalt+K. English hegemony can get bent.

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 36 points 1 week ago

I just want to write Markdown. I just want to write Markdown. I just want to write Markdown. I just want to write Markdown.

The thing I really hate about modern word processors and everyone's obsession with PDFs is that the vast majority of the time things will never be printed, but everything still focuses on paginated formats. Nobody seems to get this but you can literally send someone a .HTML file that they can just open in their browsers. Even when I tell developers about this they say dumb things like a single file will load slower. Buddy, it's loading from the disk, it's not querying shit, it is okay to make it a single HTML file.

But no, fuck you, just pages and PDFs.

The silver lining is that at least Google Docs (I don't use other editors often) now has a "pageless" mode. But the amount of times I've run into weird things like accidentally backspacing the last character of something with special formatting only to undo it, add extra characters temporarily, then backspace in front of it... Fucking hell. Just let me write Markdown. Just let me write Markdown! JUST LET ME WRITE MARKDOWN!

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Paginated formats still have advantages even if they are never printed. It just makes referencing stuff so much easier, if you can say "page 451, second headline, third paragraph".

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[-] mech@feddit.org 29 points 1 week ago

massgrave.dev that's all I'm gonna say.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Want to make the header or footer on this page unique? Eat a bag of dicks.

Want to add a letter to an item in a table without fucking up the formatting of every document ever created across known time and space? Guck you.

[-] Vorticity@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Spell checking for this comment coming to you from Microsoft

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Microsoft has had a monopoly on office software since the 90s. They illegally leveraged this monopoly to try to destroy competition in other areas. Most infamously, they destroyed Netscape to try to kill competition in the early Internet space. That resulted in a trial for illegally abusing their monopoly which they lost. Then George W. Bush was elected president, and somehow Microsoft effectively got off with essentially no punishment. Admittedly though, part of that was that the judge in the case was so outraged at some of the stuff Microsoft pulled (submitting falsified evidence, having Bill Gates lie under oath repeatedly) that he talked about it in public when he shouldn't, which opened a door for Microsoft to try to weasel out of the loss.

The "evil" in Google's motto "Don't be evil" was widely viewed as being Microsoft. Google was an Internet company in an age where Microsoft was on trial for using their power to make everything about the Internet shitty so that they could control it. In the early days of Google, people weren't even allowed to use Microsoft software, including Windows, without a special dispensation from the higher-ups. Microsoft effectively avoided any kind of punishment for their abuse of their monopoly, but it distracted them and made them cautious, so they weren't able to crush Google before it could get going. Before anybody chimes in about how Google is evil, first read up in what Microsoft did. Google might be a bit shady, but where Google got its monopoly by spending hundreds of billions to make its search engine the default, Microsoft used tactics to destroy potential competitors and drive them out of business.

If the US (and the world) had effective enforcement of the anti-monopoly laws, Word would actually have to compete on its own merits. But, because it's a monopoly, Microsoft can just sit back and keep collecting rent.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Microsoft hurt Netscape, but it was AOL that killed it. At the height of the dotcom bubble, Wall street handed AOL more money than they knew what to do with so AOL bought Netscape. Of course they didn't have any idea what to do with it (they still kept putting IE on the discs they mailed out to people even when they owned Netscape) and it eventually withered away and died.

The people that ran Netscape correctly predicted it would go this way, but it was a ridiculous amount of money AOL was offering. Luckily they made releasing the code as open source as part of the deal.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, your revisionist history is wrong. By the time AOL acquired it, Microsoft's damage had already been done. Its stock price had fallen 50% from its peak value.

The reason AOL didn't know what to do with Netscape is that it was no longer a viable business due to the interference from Microsoft. Up until Microsoft started giving away Internet Explorer for free as part of the OS, the plan for Netscape was to charge for the browser. That was perfectly normal. People charged for every piece of software up until then. But, when they had to compete with Microsoft's price of free, they had no real business model anymore.

That's the whole reason that Microsoft was charged with violating antitrust law. They leveraged their operating system monopoly to enter a new business and destroy their main competitor. Even with their falsifying evidence and Bill Gates lying on the stand, it was an open and shut case.

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Microsoft did lots of shady shit to leverage their quasi monopoly on PC operating systems. However Microsoft Office was actually better than the competition in many aspects. The main competition for Microsoft Office was IBM's Smart Suite. Excel left industry leader Lotus 1-2-3 in the dust pretty quickly in the early 1990s. MS Word was also better than market leader WordPerfect. Then in the late 1990s Outlook became leading and is still unmatched by anything else. Softmaker Office is the only office suite that still exists from back then.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

WordPerfect was the leading word processing program under DOS. When Windows was released Microsoft screwed with them by not giving them full access to all the Windows APIs (something Microsoft was notorious for). Surprise, surprise, at the same time Microsoft was not giving WordPerfect the API info they needed, they were releasing their own competitive word processor in Word.

But, once WordPerfect got access to the APIs, they produced a word processor that was superior to Word. The only reason that Word took off is that Microsoft aggressively bundled it with everything.

As for Outlook, I've never met anybody who actually likes it. The only thing it has going for it is that it's available by default and it's the only thing compatible with emails from other Outlook users. There's a reason its nickname is "outhouse". Outlook did the same things that Microsoft did with HTML and HTTP: embrace, extend, extinguish. They took de-facto and de-jure email standards and modified them so that only other Outlook users could use the email properly. They made sure that if you tried to use anything other than Outlook with Microsoft Exchange, that it wouldn't quite work right.

With Microsoft it's always about taking their monopoly in one area and squeezing another area, driving their competitors away. It's what they're now doing with developer tools, like github and visual studio code.

[-] tangonov@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is nothing Microsoft Office does that I can't happily do in LibreOffice

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[-] julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago

There is LaTex which I would recommend for any kind of longer document.

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[-] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago

Be Australian. Set language to English: Australian

Write word: color. Does not underline spelling error.

Don't even mention PowerPoint language.

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[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I have made so many thousands of dollars in consulting fees because people don't know about the "align object: over text" option. I would even show them, and they'd still call me back the next week offering money.

[-] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Everyone complaining here about not being able to have unique footers or moving images or ignoring spelling errors just doesn't know what they're doing. You're literally the bad workman blaming the tool. I can do all of those things in Word.

If you prefer another tool, fine. But please stop shitting on things just because you don't understand them.

And PDF was never meant to be edited. Its sole purpose is to give you a document file which comes out exactly the same on computer screens and printers everywhere. Compact, reliable, compatible. If you need to replace parts of a PDF document post publication, it should be prepared using the Forms tools that are readily available in all good PDF suites.

By the way: I paid 30 Euros for an Office 2019 lifetime license. If ever that should not receive further updates then I'm ready to fork over another 30.

[-] AXLplosion@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago

I was working on my thesis a couple days ago using Word, and it permanently deleted a whole line of text when I pressed ctrl+Z to undo a mistake.

That happened with every line on the page until i copied everything to a different text editor and then copied it back to Word.

I respect your take but I will never respect Word.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

Using word for a thesis sounds like a nightmare I would never dare to do

For big projects like that, stuff like LaTeX is so much better in my experience, you could even set up version control for it with, say, git, or similar

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

"I love typing in ten thousand pounds of syntatic sugar"

-- me, an idiot who used embedded images for formulas in a markdown file which gets converted into a PDF

"Totally way easier than LaTeX, I swear"

[-] fbr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

You may benefit from checking out Typst which gives all of the benefits (and some more) of LaTeX, but without all of the syntax garbage.

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[-] baines@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 week ago

lol imagine blaming paid users for ms shit workflow

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lol "edit your expectations" got me :D

best thing about microsoft office is word 3.1 providing me with 30 blank discs for storage.

[-] IpsumLauren@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

"Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft"

[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Might have something to do with Microsoft offering M365 to nearly all universities for dirt cheap or free.

Don't agree to Microsoft's terms of service? Guess university isn't for you.

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

edit a pdf? Edit your expectations.

I feel seen. The number of times I've actually needed to do this is too damn high. Sure, I feel entitled to not have to pay for the privilege, as the task was usually thrust upon me by some bank, HR department, or legal firm. But the number of scummy websites online that will happily play with your doc's confidential info for free, is too damn high. I can't imagine anyone with average computer skills navigating this particular turing tarpit unscathed.

[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

You can also edit a PDF with LibreOffice Draw

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[-] misspelledusernme@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

You can edit PDFs on libre?

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

You can in libreoffice draw for sure.

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah but it's pretty limited and personally I could never get it to work, it couldn't handle larger files. Had to pirate some other program to do anything serious.

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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

How is pdf the standard also?

It’s got way too many features like 3d rendering. It’s proprietary. Simple things like copy and paste from a paper with columns does not work and is basically an unsolved AI problem.

Like, it mostly renders the same, but fonts, OCR, etc are different between viewers, and the official Adobe reader/acrobat are totally enshittified with AI that they don’t work anymore.

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[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Word 5.1a for Macintosh is still peak word processing.

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