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[-] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 69 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It was possible to skip Vista and go straight from XP to 7. You could even use the same PC.

It was possible to skip 8 and go straight from 7 to 10. You could even use the same PC.

This time around, Microsoft is forcing Windows 11 as the only option, forcing people to throw away their machines, and it is backfiring on them. People are rejecting it and the competition (Linux) has never been as good as it is today.

The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don't meet Windows 11's system requirements

So much unnecessary e-waste. I never want to hear about how 'green' or 'sustainable' Microsoft is again.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Apparently some are even opting to reinstall Windows 7 rather than the trash fire that is 11. It seems like 10 was never loved, merely tolerated, and as MS continues to enshittify 10 in an attempt to force people onto 11 some are just going back to the previous good version of Windows.

[-] RustyShackleford@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago

I reinstalled Windows 7 on my laptop and dual-boot Linux and Windows 11 on my desktop.

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[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Those people are stupid. Run a version of windows that won't make you part of a botnet and make you my problem or don't run it at all.

[-] ISOmorph@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

You think people installing Win7 in 2025 know what a botnet is?

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[-] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

Anyone who asks me about this is getting the “At least try Linux for free first before buying a new computer.

Another example I have is that my mother-in-law is retired. You think she needs a new computer? Nope! She’s getting Linux before a new computer. The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

You could install windows 10 on something designed for windows XP, provided it has enough RAM

The reason w11 needs a new PC is pure marketing, it doesn't actually need some specific feature that is present on 8th gen Intel CPUs but not on 7th gen Intel CPUs

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[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Gee, I can't imagine why that could be.

[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

"Why don't you like our copilot features?" -Microshit-

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Oh, I can think of a few reasons.

You know it's bad when even I switch to linux. I don't understand linux. I literally back up my entire hard drive everytime I attempt to do ANYTHING. Because I WILL screw up my whole system to the point it won't boot. I've done it many times over the coarse of the past year.

Then I gotta spend a whole day waiting for things to restore from backup. And then whatever I WAD trying to do, still isn't done.

That has been my experience using linux this past year.

But Windows 11? No.

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[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

I want to qualify this comment with the fact that I am not a super gamer. Most my games are older. The newest and most demanding game I play is Cyberpunk 2077. Most my other games are multiple years older and less demanding.

I finally switched full time to a Linux desktop OS. I have used Linux more or less daily for decades, the first distro I ever installed was Slackware what feels forever ago. But until Valve put the work into running games on linux for their Steam deck I felt I was trapped needing to have Windows to play games. I have even spent the last decade forcing myself to rely more and more on cross platform available FOSS dreaming of some day making a permanent switch. Honestly it was so easy for me to switch at this point, most games pretty much just ran. My biggest problem took a bit to grok and it was just because some games do not like running in proton from an NTFS partition. I have NVME and SATA SSDs separate from my boot drive that I used to install games on and it was trivial to reformat the NVME drive to a more Linux friendly filesystem and I have not had an issue since. Eventually I'll do the SATA drive but I'm lazy and those games are working fine so far. You will absolutely have problems with some games, especially some that have overbearing anti-cheat systems, but man this has been so easy I couldn't really have imagined. The only non-gaming problem was a document scanner we own that is not supported by SANE. I could not find a solution to run it on Linux so I just spun up a Tiny 11 copy of Windows in a VM and passed it through. We only use it a couple times a year so this is an acceptable compromise to me. The VM doesn't have Internet access, it just sees a local drive as a network share. All it can do is scan something and save it to the shared drive so I can access it in Linux.

I chose Linux Mint because I am well versed with Debian and Ubuntu. But I suggest anyone new to Linux give Bazzite a shot. It's designed to be a lot harder for you to break. It's also more optimized for gaming if that's your focus. For me gaming is a requirement but I've never felt the need for top tier performance.

The path from 3.1 to 11 has been such a sour one and the last thing I am willing to put up with is being the product in the eyes of my desktop OS. My computer is mine and it will do why I want it to do or it will do nothing at all.

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[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

I would imagine a big reason being that windows 11 doesnt work on a ton of older systems which meant nobody upgraded to it and instead lived out the life of the hardware until they actually needed to buy something new. The crazy part to me is older systems wasnt even that long ago. I remember when 11 came out and saw a bunch of systems only 2 years old that weren't compatible. I said screw it and just forced it on them and honestly I have had no issues on about 3 different systems so whatever I guess.

[-] throws_lemy@reddthat.com 10 points 2 months ago

That makes sense. Upgrading your PC/laptop when RAM and SSD prices are skyrocketing is ridiculous.

[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

I recently bought a tpm 2.0 chip for a 7th Gen intel and found out that win 11 will install on 7th Gen without any hacks when done fresh from a usb install, and it only checks for tye existence of tpm 2.0. The cpu Gen block is 100% a choice MS made it seems, likely because not all 7th Gen capable motherboards had tpm or expansion slots so they just went "screw them, all 7th Gen and lower is blocked".

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I've used the regkey hack years ago, but recent ones seemed more difficult to bypass. I ended up using a USB stick as well and formatted it with Rufus which has all the options built in to bypass it all. It worked 100% of the time the 3 times I used it. Before doing that 2 systems just wouldnt complete and always ended up giving an error at some point. One of my older systems at work is a Dell Precision which came with a Xeon processor which is normally a server CPU and windows 11 doesnt support server at all so those CPUs aren't compatible. Been running 11 on it 2 years now and is completely stable. The tower is almost 10 years old now, but I dont want to give it up because I know ill never get anything nearly as powerful as a replacement today haha.

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[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

pretty much how I saw it. 10 was a push towards accepting all hardware configurations. 11 put restrictions in the name of security. so even if a user WANTED to upgrade, there's technically a barrier that Microsoft would block them (albeit that check can be bypassed).

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

At some point, I need to get around to installing Mint on my desktop. Maybe this weekend, but probably not.

[-] Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago

It was extremely easy when I did it. Had everything running in 20 min. The real drag was me wanting to use a more efficient file system, so I spent a day converting my drives to ext4.

[-] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Zorin and Cachy are great choices too, but Mint is awesome as well. Anything but Windows 11 lol

[-] throws_lemy@reddthat.com 5 points 2 months ago

The main problem for most people when installing Linux is partitioning. Normies usually only use Windows that has been pre-installed, and never install Windows from scratch.

I think you should try Linux on a VM first to get used to it.

[-] QuestionMark@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The automatic options on Mint (and probably Ubuntu) make everything extremely easy. Do you want to keep Windows, or get rid of it? How much space do you want to give to Mint and Windows? Okay, done.

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[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

It's pretty straight forward if you don't do anything else, get a fresh new drive just for it. I've been using Mint for a few weeks now and honestly other than some glitch i keep experience here and there(steam store page is noticeably slower and laggier for some reason, and sound glitch that require restart to get rid of) and some initial setup fiddling to suit me, i really doesn't notice any different than what i've been doing in win10.

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 2 points 2 months ago

turn on hardware acceleration for Steam

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[-] TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah, my pc has been sitting around for over two months. I think I’m gonna go with Cachy on my machine, just need to find some time 😫

[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

I went with cachy a few weeks ago, and its been great.

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Windows 11 brings change but no significant features. The general population hates change.

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

What do you mean? Now I get the feature of not being to click on the clock on my second monitor to open the calendar! I had been waiting for that feature for ages.

[-] echolalia@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Idk what you mean "no significant features". I definitely needed AI integration in notepad.exe.

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[-] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

My 78 year old mother bought a new laptop, windows 11.

Immediately I had to remote in because of some S mode BS which just put you in the MS only application environment.

3 months later and somehow she fubarred her login and can't use her new laptop. There's probably an easy fix, but since she hates windows 11 and wants to go back to 10, I suggested Linux.

So it will be a Merry Christmas for my mom when I visit and install IDK? Some version that's super simple. Anything is better than what she currently has

[-] FireWire400@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Can't go wrong with good old Linux Mint

[-] krousenick@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Try Zorin OS, its Ubuntu based they have a windows 11 theme.

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[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago

The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don't meet Windows 11's system requirements while the others don't need a hardware upgrade to run the OS. Although this would indicate that 500 million PCs would potentially be replaced with newer alternatives capable of running Windows 11 at some point, Clarke hinted at "roughly flat" sales for Dell PCs would moving forward . Clarke didn't explain the reasoning behind this statement , but it could mean that people are just not that interested in upgrading to Windows 11 PCs.

It's a simple reason. Everybody is abandoning dell in droves for lenovo in enterprise environments.

I used to buy dell exclusively for laptops across over a decade at multiple organizations where I determined hardware standards and purchasing. Everyone always wanted a x1 carbon or thinkpad but the prices were too high. This is no longer the case. Now everyone gets a thinkpad or x1 carbon where I work at least, and statistics for market share are heavily on the lenovo side now.

That's how I see it anyway. This has nothing to do with windows 11, it's just another service pack when you're managing everything via GPO/intune/sccm/whatever.

[-] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Have you seen any traction with Framework in the corporate space? They are mostly marketed at individuals, but since you specifically mention people wanting higher quality machines, Framework fits the bill.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

No way. People like me purchase a steady supply of standardized machines at a fair cost. Bigger companies than I've worked for want a lease agreement. We pay $X for Y units, you come in and swap them in 3, 4, or 5 years, rinse and repeat. We also need robust tech support, both from the manufacturer and wide user base. No way I'd suggest management purchase Frameworks.

Framework is awesome for individuals as you can upgrade! No one in their right mind wants to hassle with upgrading a fleet of hundreds, thousands, or 10's of thousands of machine. You talking about pets when business requires cattle.

https://www.hava.io/blog/cattle-vs-pets-devops-explained

Great question! And BTW, thousands upon thousands of those "old" cattle are available on eBay from sellers who make a living moving off-lease machines. I'd never buy new. LOL, I bought servers that way from savemyserver! Boss came by while I was setting up a new server. "Is that new?!" "Nope."

[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I know this probably won't be received well, but I look at framework and I see the least usable option. On some level I understand the idea and think it is somewhat desirable. However, I just think the modular nature comes with substantial drawbacks compared to modern competitors.

For home use i'm mostly a gamer. They don't really have powerful gaming options and I can just build my own desktop in the case I want with whatever hardware I want.

For not-gaming home use, I want something lightweight that just works. I just get something from work usually. It's common to have a glut of laptops when you acquire someone or to just order something as a tester or to demonstrate an option- which happens to be the one system I really want to use.

Framework is expensive for what they provide. The upgrades are rarely worth the price to me. If I really had to buy something, I could buy something I really want with the specs and features I really want instead of having a ton of hot swappable ports that I never touch because I just want usb-c anyway. When it's time for me to upgrade I end up giving my old to one of my friends or family members, because there's always a need there- two such machines i'm handing out over thanksgiving.

[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

I've never, ever met someone outside of a tech role that even knows they exist.

If someone isn't happy with a lenovo, it's because they want that coveted apple logo on the lid.

The primary concerns in the enterprise environment are around standardization. I only want a couple of models to manage per year so that the support guys don't have to worry too much about some willy wonka bullshit that doesn't work because that one system is an oddball. The nice thing too about lenovo (or dell) has traditionally been support services. If you know the words to say you can get them to ship out anything with a tech to replace anything after a single call and not running all the silly diagnostics. I know dell has been on the decline for support services and I honestly don't handle any of the warranty repairs myself, but my impression is that it still works.

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[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I use windows 10 at home while I use windows 11 at work. The only thing I like about windows 11 is tabs in the file explorer. Besides that I've had to deal with Windows Explorer crashing on a daily basis, task bar freezing completely multiple times a week, certain software straight up not working that I need to get work done, programs crashing that work perfectly fine on 10, internet connectivity issues (usually DNS for some fucking reason), periodically hearing the disconnect sound for a device even when everything is still working, awful drop down menus, needing to change the registry just to get basic features that 10 has, and the list goes on and on. At home everything just works. I've been testing Linux and have been getting better stability than Windows 11 and I feel like every week there's a new problem.

[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

I thought that thumbnail was sonic the hedgehog

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Blows my mind seeing people look on windows 10 as some kind of last bastion, apparently not realizing that was Windows 7 at best.

10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair, made everything slow and added insane amounts of spying. If you willingly switched to 10 then don't pretend like 11 is a bridge too far now.

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