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[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 27 points 3 months ago

It’s always been about the oil with Venezuela. The US does not care about the legitimacy of foreign elections and never has, anyone who believes that is an idiot,

[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 months ago

B-but the drugs... Don't ask about the reasons of the opioid crisis in their country though

[-] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 23 points 3 months ago

To misattribute a quote to Gordon Ramsey: “You’ve put so much oil in this, the US want to invade the plate”.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

oh I wonder if it's oil...

Clicks in

It was oil

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And they'd be exporting plenty if they weren't sanctioned by the world's largest military and single biggest consumer of oil.

Literally the most similar country on Earth to Venezuela, both politically and economically, is Norway. But they're white. That's the big difference.

[-] khepri@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It hard to think of two more dissimilar nations, outside of the fact that they both have oil and both coincidentally have almost identical GDPs (despite Venezula having about 6 times the population of Norway). But in any other area you care to consider, from per-capita GDP to political stability to education to economic diversification to healthcare to corruption to age distribution to civil liberties to pollution to population growth to the HDI, they are in extremely sharp contrast in almost every way we measure nations. Politically, it's a stable parliamentary democracy up against a polarized authoritarian-leaning republic, pretty darn far from each other. Yes, they are both resource-dependent, state-central, and redistributional nations, but they go about it in virtually opposite ways functionally, and there are dozens of such countries that would rank closely on those generic metrics.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Lol, I wish. Norway is as similar to Venezuela as North Korea and New Zealand are to each other.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You gonna explain why you think so, or...?

Couldn't help but notice that you showed up and got 4 updoots right around the same time I got my only 4 downdoots.

Not that I necessarily think they're related. Just a funny coincidence. Haha.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Must be the other four people from Venezuela besides me on the fediverse. That know for a fact that Venezuela is nothing like Norway and explaining why would take an essay that I have no time to write because I have a life outside of arguing on the internet. But I'm not interested in doing anyway since it's a somewhat dumb comparison to make in the first place.

However, the fact you find coincidental patterns in up and downvotes so suspect suggest why would you draw such an outrageous conclusion from what I assume is the cliff notes of Wikipedia articles and propaganda pieces.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't find them suspect. I just find them interesting, Guy Who Left Venezuela And Volunteers His Opinions Without Explaining them (Reminds me of Boomer Who Moved Out Of The Soviet Bloc In 1970 And Invariably Shows Up Tell You That Communism Can Never Work Without Explaining Every Time A Progressive Voices Support For Social Politics On The Internet... I do wish he had a more concise name).

In all seriousness I'm a little touchey on this subject too. I have a few friends in Venezuela who's lives are hell, not for local politics but for American sanctions and war threats over the past decade. They're committed to their families. I don't really know what I'm going to do if my government ends up hurting them.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

Because white

[-] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

But but but the west loves the free market and all that...

These wankies only care about "free market" when they're on the top exploiting.

As soon as a strong competitor appears, the market is cornered, blackmailed, forcefully sold off to friends/families, or simply sanctioned or embargoed along with countries who are willing to do business with them.

[-] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I strongly oppose any US intervention in Venezuela, but the notion their civil society is equivalent to Norway other than superficial observation that both are oil-rich is absurd.

[-] Spaniard@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Venezuela Oil is poor quality which means it costs a lot to refine.

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Tell people this and they'll blink at you like you just asked a fish to do calculus.

The public is woefully ignorant on how the oil industry as a whole works, the vast majority of people don't even know that there are different qualities and weights of oil that are suited for different things.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Wouldn't refining companies like that?

[-] Spaniard@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's not worth it, maybe one day it will be worth but we are developing alternatives... Plenty of reserves in allied countries and I think the US has big untouched reserves just in case.

Venezuela is incapable of processing that oil because when they nationalized the industry they fucked it so hard now they don't have the tools, that's what Bolivarism does.

[-] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Guess Iran and Canada better get some goddamn nukes then

[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago

Not allowed only the countries who had nukes firsts are allowed to have them ever its nuclear non proliferation on top of that the ones that have them pinkie promise to phase them out any day now. This is totally fair and balanced and we will bomb you if you disagree.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

Yo someone go let Iran know that they should probably be getting nukes. Not sure if they're aware of the need /s

[-] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

At this point everyone should get nukes

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago
[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

It is feeling real 2003 right about now

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Eh, the reason there's so little exports is because the extraction collapsed when all the workers at the national company, PDVSA, were fired in a single day for political reasons. Then the drop in prices in 2015 further destroyed all facilities. Even if the US invades today, it would take decades to rebuild the infrastructure back to pre-2000 levels of export.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago

It is a combination of sanctions and a lot of infrastructure being broken. But a lot can be repaired relatively quickly. You do not need peak production levels to make a hell of a lot of money.

[-] F_State@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

Hiring across the Venezuelan government and nationalized industries became based on Loyalty to Chavez rather than competence which fucked them over big time. Watching Trump do the same to the US has been difficult.

[-] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago

What many people don't realize is that a significant chunk of our oil processing infrastructure in America is designed for Venezuelas oil specifically. It's very thick and that means a very different procedure for refinement. Thinner/watery crude oil from other places in the world is much easier to work with and many other places are already set up to refine that oil. Not everyone in the world is set up to process Venezuelas crude oil.

This also means we can't just get oil somewhere else and run it through those same refineries with the same results. Venezuela has the single largest oil reserves and America spent a lot of time, energy and money to process that oil.

So yes it is about oil, but it's much more complicated than simply "oil".

[-] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Better yet, our military gets there and can't find oil. Oops, let's prop up another dictatorship

[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

"No MoRe WaRs" and Trump the Peacemaker was a big part of their campaign. Hopefully invading Venezuela would hurt him more politically than any oil but who am I kidding? They'll all just lie like they always do.

[-] Johanno@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago

Well we have reserves in barrels and export ind dollars.

So nobody can get any information about how much oil was actually exported.

I don't know the oil price. I don't think everyone is paying the same.

This is almost useless

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago

Their oil is bad and investing in new oil drilling is likely to yield low returns as a crash is incoming due to renewables being cheaper and most states having a desire to alleviate climate change risks.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

and that is why the oil industry funds the far right with such insane sums. It is also really good news, as a decline in oil consumption is really going to hurt the far right.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago

Thank god for that red arrow and red box. Would have been lost without them.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

It's because their name is so fun to say.

Ven-e-zue-la!

[-] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago
[-] Bazell@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago
[-] Seefoo@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No guys, seriously? Its definitely 100% about ~~their freedom~~ the drug "problem".

[-] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

why does this graph have a 2:1 ratio of content to border? did you open it full screen on an ultrawide monitor to screenshot it then not crop or?

I'm used to seeing lots of vertical borders because of phones, but this almost seems like it took more effort to make this way.

[-] hitstun@feddit.online 2 points 3 months ago

OP really wanted that red rectangle with a red arrow, I guess. Here's the original from this Al Jazeera story:

[-] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I took a screenshot from my phone of Sean Foo's YouTube video. I appreciate it looks bad but didn't know how to fix it. I redid it by from YouTube on my desktop so hopefully it looks better now.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lMQTqWxrNY

[-] zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

Stop taking screen shots of web content

[-] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago

I dont normally but I was on the move, the citation is at the bottom of the page and I linked the source it was from. Worse crimes have been committed

[-] biber@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago

It's complicated.. i thought this video provides a nice primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Mh-ndtqAY

[-] OwlPaste@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago
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