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[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

A BBC journalist ran the image through an AI chatbot which identified key spots that may have been manipulated.

What the actual fuck? You couldn't spare someone to just go look at the fucking thing rather than asking ChatGPT to spin you a tale? What are we even doing here, BBC?

A photo taken by a BBC North West Tonight reporter showed the bridge is undamaged

So they did. Why are we talking about ChatGPT then? You could just leave that part out. It's useless. Obviously a fake photo has been manipulated. Why bother asking?

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

I tried the image of this real actual road collapse: https://www.tv2.no/nyheter/innenriks/60-mennesker-isolert-etter-veiras/12875776

I told ChatGPT it was fake and asked it to explain why. It assured me I was a special boy asking valid questions and helpfully made up some claims.

[-] Atropos@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

God damn I hate this tool.

Thanks for posting this, great example

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[-] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

They needed time for their journalists to get there. They're too busy on the beaches counting migrant boat crossings.

[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I am guessing the reporter wanted to remind people tools exist for this, however the reporter isn't tech savvy enough to realize ChatGPT isn't one of them.

[-] 9bananas@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

afaik, there actually aren't any reliable tools for this.

the highest accuracy rate I've seen reported for "AI detectors" is somewhere around 60%; barely better than a random guess...

edit: i think that way for text/LLM, to be fair.

kinda doubt images are much better though...happy to hear otherwise, if there are better ones!

[-] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 months ago

The problem is any AI detector can be used to train AI to fool it, if it's publicly available

[-] 9bananas@feddit.org 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

exactly!

using a "detector" is how (not all, but a lot of) AIs (LLMs, GenAI) are trained:

have one AI that's a "student", and one that's a "teacher" and pit them against one another until the student fools the teacher nearly 100% of the time. this is what's usually called "training" an AI.

one can do very funny things with this tech!

for anyone that wants to see this process in action, here's a great example:

Benn Jorda: Breaking The Creepy AI in Police Cameras

[-] Wren@lemmy.today 3 points 4 months ago

My best guess is SEO. Journalism that mentions ChatGPT gets more hits. It might be they did use a specialist or specialized software and the editor was like "Say it was ChatGPT, otherwise people get confused, and we get more views. No one's going to fact check whether or not someone used ChatGPT."

That's just my wild, somewhat informed speculation.

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

It is time to start holding social media sites liable for posting AI deceptions. FB is absolutely rife with them.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Disagree. Without Section 230 (or equivalent laws of their respective jurisdictions) your Fediverse instance would be forced to moderate even harder in fear of legal action. I mean, who even decides what "AI deception" is? your average lemmy.world mod, an unpaid volunteer?

It's a threat to free speech.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

Also, it would be trivial for big tech to flood every fediverse instance with deceptive content and get us all shut down

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[-] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

I think just the people need to held accountable as while I am no fan of Meta, it is not their responsibility to hold people legally accountable to what they choose to post. What we really need is zero knowledge proof tech to identity a person is real without having to share their personal information but that breaks Meta’s and other free business model so here we are.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago

YouTube has been getting much worse lately as well. Lots of purported late-breaking Ukraine war news that's nothing but badly-written lies. Same with reports of Trump legal defeats that haven't actually happened. They are flooding the zone with shit, and poisoning search results with slop.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Sites AND the people that post them. The age of consequence-less action needs to end.

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[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 4 months ago

A BBC journalist ran the image through an AI chatbot which identified key spots that may have been manipulated.

WTF?

Doesn't the fucking BBC have at least 1 or 2 experts for spotting fakes? RAN THROUGH AN AI CHATBOT?? SERIOUSLY??

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 months ago

They have vibe journalists now

[-] wieson@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago

Pr because it was between 0 and 2 in the night. Still, as an author I wouldn't have mentioned it.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

They do, they have like a daily article debunking shit.

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[-] alexsantee@infosec.pub 11 points 4 months ago

It's a shame to see the journalist trusting an AI chat-bot to verify the trustworthiness of the image instead of asking a specialist. I feel like they should even have an AI detecting specialist in-house since we're moving to having more generative AI material everywhere

[-] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

Did they though? They mentioned a journalist ran it through a chat bot. They also mention it was verified by a reporter on the ground.

It’s like criticising a weather report because the reporter looked outside to see if it was raining, when they also consulted the simulation forecasting.

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

People who post this stuff without identifying it as fake should be held liable.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 7 points 4 months ago

WTF? Why nothing like this ever happened during Photoshop times? Are people just dumber now?

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 months ago

Because the venn diagram of “people who would maliciously do something like this” and “people with good enough photoshop skills to make it look realistic” were nearly two separate circles. AI has added a third “people with access to AI image generators” circle, and it has a LOT of overlap with the second group simply because it is so large.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 4 months ago

Really? I remember tons of nicely photoshoped pictures on Snopes. There was a lot of trolling by people with skills going on.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Those remained on email chains. Unlike social media of today where anyone can generate any image and send it to millions of gullible people in a second.

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[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

It doesn’t require skill anymore. AI has enabled children with the ability to pretend they have a skill, and to use it to fool people for fun.

[-] Vitaly@feddit.uk 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The thing is you actually need some skill to do it in Photoshop, but now every dumb fuck who knows how to read can do shit like this.

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[-] DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

It took skill to do this before. Hardly anyone with that level of skill and time would do this. Now the dumb idiots have access to that skillset because of AI doing all the work for them.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

These are more realistic and far far easier to make.

[-] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago

For anyone outside the UK, the bridge in the picture is carrying the West Coast Mainline (WCML).

The UK basically has two major routes between Edinburgh and Glasgow (where most people live in Scotland) and London, the East Coast Mainline and the West Coast Mainline. They also connect several major cities and regions.

The person who posted this basically claimed that a bridge on one of the UK's busiest intercity rail routes had started to collapse, which is not something you say lightly. It's like saying all of New York's airports had shut down because of three co-incidental sinkholes.

[-] rami@ani.social 4 points 4 months ago

I'm surprised to see no one else mention that it only took them an hour and a half to get an inspection done, signed of on and the lines reopened? That seems pretty impressive for something as important as a rail bridge.

[-] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago

I mean, it's the time to get an inspector off of bed, on the road, to the site, and for them to go “yup, bridge's still there” and call back...

[-] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

In reality though they’re responsible, so they’re going to do a proper assessment regardless.

[-] ronigami@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

For a “once in decades” event you would normally expect that people aren’t really on call to respond in a few minutes.

[-] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

Network Rail have emergency response crews.

[-] entwine@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago

A BBC journalist ran the image through an AI chatbot which identified key spots that may have been manipulated.

This is terrifying. Does the BBC not have anyone on the team that understands why this does not, and will never work?

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 4 months ago

Wait until this shit starts an actual war.

[-] sircac@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It feels like a privilege escalation exploit: at a certain point the authority chain jumped from a random picture provided who knows where/when to a link in the chain that should be reliable enough to blindly trust in this subject.

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