it makes me sad to see all the angry people here condemning the closure of the sub
if companies had their way we'd all be zombies dancing to their songs
this is just a small inconvenience to remind everyone how reddit can go to shit in the near future
People simply don't care about getting fucked by corporations because they've been conditioned to for decades. Someone told me that having all your data exploited is the price of admission for the internet...like come on, it is when you let it
I see lots of posts here saying the blackout is bad. I just wanted to say that I like the blackout. Thanks.
I agree. Got a good excuse to try something new and turns out it does some things in a way I like better than what I was already using. Still need to figure out a few things but this is nice.
I'm personally happy that dormi.zone exists and I hope it grows into it's own little part of the community overtime, maybe distancing itself from reddit's formatting a bit to be 'more than JUST the reddit alternative'. I'll probably even check in to get bullied about my out-of-date username every once in awhile. Still, it'll never be what the subreddit is, and I don't think it should try to be.
I just made a lemmy account, i doubt i'll return to reddit, this protest and management response has shown the worst side of reddit i've never seen and am disgusted. good to see warframe is active here.
Reddit has done so much worse than that, up to and including hosting sexual content involving minors (and defended it!).
r/Warframe should not reopen, put a big banner on the sub, redirecting people to the lemmy instance.
New mods should be voted into this place, what right do they have to block the users of a subreddit over a false idea that change will ruin the site. This protest's main goal was been to hurt their own users enough that the big company will take pity on them.
It sounds like you don't even know what the API changes effect, and why they are bad for both users and moderators.
Mods were promised first party moderation tools years ago that still do not exist. API changes are killing third party alternatives without providing a replacement. https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/141oqn8/comment/jn1234u/
The Official Reddit App on Android has issues banning people that have already been shadow banned by reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/modhelp/comments/13t1npy/cannot_ban_a_user_in_my_subreddit/jlsupdm
There is poor accessibility support for visually impaired users. (r/blind is in the top 5% of subs and they can't bother making their app accessable for them, does Reddit really care about its user base?) https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/13zr8h2/reddits_recently_announced_api_changes_and_the/ There are even a couple posts on r/warframe from blind users
If Reddit actually cared about selling API access to 3rd party Developers, it would not have taken 3 months to respond to a developer. Honestly can't believe they claim to be "profit driven" when they can't be bothered to provide access to their PAID API. https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnk2q0e
They do not have documentation ready for the new API, even though it should be going live at the end of the month. https://developers.reddit.com/waitlist
Helpful bots like remindme/savevideo/wiki bots/~~wanderingdwarfminer~~ are dead with the API changes. Can't pay for access to the API to keep them alive and there is no available documentation available to update them either.
Then there is also the issue that unless a moderator is on the first party app/official site, they can not see/moderate any content on a NSFW post. Want to post anything that breaks the subs rules, make it an NSFW post.
There was also some mention that it may be possible in the future for trolls to brigade a sub and take it over. Obvious targets for this would be any subs that are educational (r/learnjapanese already had someone requesting to take over), AskHistorians: push whatever alternate history you believe in, or for the "controversial" subs, I expect politics/lgbt type subs to be harrassed if a policy like this goes forward. Why is this even an option support plans to offer, and pass it off as "being in the community's best interest". If someone doesn't like the moderation team, they should be told to make their own sub, not be given the community the mods worked to create. The sub would have died long ago if mods were doing terrible job.
Just because something doesn't effect you directly doesn't mean it doesn't have negative consequences for the rest of the community or even an unforseen impact to yourself. Without the blackout, a lot of these issues would have gone unnoticed by the general community, these were all points I found skimming through the AMA.
*Feel free to correct me on any of my points, or even add to them. A lot of this information was learned through skimming, and I've linked to some quick sources that I used as references, or even better, go ask the affected communities directly how the API changes effect them.
Feel free to correct me on any of my points, or even add to them.
Okay some notes to add:
The accessibility focused third party apps (Dystopia for iOS, Redreader for Android, there might be more) were granted exemptions to the API pricing, so they can continue to operate after the changes. Dystopia will also soon be available on the iOS App Store (as opposed to having to use Testflight) so as a silver lining it'll be easier to access for users who need it, while Redreader is considering implementing Lemmy support.
Bots are in a weird place because most likely don't exceed the API usage rates for the free tier - RemindMe Bot for example has explicitly stated it isn't going to die with the changes, and that its usage is well under the free tier. I imagine smaller community-specific ones (like the wf subreddit ones) will similarly be far below the free tier limits.
For desktop, the mod tools extension (Toolbox) will remain in their current state, and RES expects to as well. Both projects have dwindling interest in continued development aside from basic maintenance though, certainly not helped by reddit's increased hostility to developers. Newer reddit features also aren't exposed to the api so Toolbox can't integrate them them either.
tl;dr: Some small progress in accessibility concerns, not really enough. Reddit doesn't deserve a medal for doing the bare minimum in not completely rejecting every blind user from using their service, though noting what they're doing on that front (good and bad) still matters.
Minor addition to your point for accessibility apps, they don't have access to NSFW content because they are considered a third party app. https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/146lmu6/accessible_blindnessspecific_reddit_apps_can_use/ Profanity is enough to require a thread to be marked NSFW according to Reddit's own content policy.
I had the impression that some bots being allowed to stay is a more recent change, added after the protest started rather than being exempt initially. I remember reading a banner saying something like "bots used for moderation may be exempt from api fees" and was changed to "see how much api usage bots consume". I am going off of memory for this as I don't have screen shots of either banner and loading reddit in private does not bring back either banner message.
RES has stated they likely wouldn't be effected because they're using the authentication provided by the local user rather than OAuth. It also sounds like their API usage is very little, is significantly less than what a full 3rd party application would require to function.
I'm not a mod, and have never modded, so any information I have on that comes from reading other's posts, and sharing information. Considering how active the meta thread is though, I was fully expecting anyone seeing this to either correct any information that I got wrong or even add to parts I missed.
*Side note for Lemmy, the public modlog is an interesting feature for transparency, although it gets a little messy with other communities being shown in there. It was nice having pushshift around to see why something was removed, but now that's gone for anyone that isn't a moderator that has requested access.
This is a bot.
Ya kinda assumed he was, all of his comments are generic enough to be posted anywhere. I just figured he was useful for my post about why the API changes are bad, and that it might get more attention there than as its own comment.
The numbers don't lie. You have thousands of users here vs hundreds of thousands on the reddit. Most don't care about this site or even know it exists. Good to see the subreddit open again.
According to the sidebar, this place is fairly active for its size. ~1k comments in a week, with most help threads getting a response from someone.
While some of this advice might be subjective/preference based, the people responding tend to give an explanation for why they recommended something.
https://dormi.zone/post/15749
https://dormi.zone/post/24620
https://dormi.zone/post/14004
There are a few people saying that there's "important information on r/warframe" but they've never responded with what they were looking for when prompted.
If someone wants information they can't find elsewhere, feel free to make a post asking and someone procrastinating will probably come by to help instead of doing what they were originally supposed to be doing; can't answer questions that haven't been asked, and it helps to fill in the "missing repository", although the wiki also a great source of information that people have already submitted. (even if its a fandom site)
you are not making much of a point here. of course reddit has more users since it's been around for a long time and houses hundreds of other subreddits.
Attempting to stop supporting a massive company you don't like while actively and provably damaging a smaller company and community that you DO like was and is a terrible idea, frankly. I would have been so disappointed if the sub stayed closed while 7 Crimes launched, thinking about the analytics guy at DE looking at the tangible dip of week 1 player activity post-patch (compared to other updates) because the people who usually see the updates coming from looking at the reddit just didn't know it even came out. Honestly, even keeping it closed for the next few days will hurt the anticipation buildup and negatively effect activity, but whatever. Better now than never.
I deleted my twitter account for less. Is it an issue that I stopped supporting a "massive company" because I didn't like how it was being run? (not that twitter was run particularly well before it was bought). It's not the first time a platform has killed itself. (looking at tumbler)
And now Tumblr is under new leadership and thanks to Twitter and Reddit doing their shenanigans… it’s been having a resurgence lol
The tumblr users reviled the twitter users while they're actively embracing the reddit users. Two sides of the same shitposting coin.
Your twitter account wasn't (probably) an active and living part of a game development studio's online presence. Individuals can do whatever they want with their accounts, obviously, but the subreddit isn't that, it's a forum. All the people that choose not to engage with reddit anymore can just do that, but the people who want to interact with warframe ON reddit in SPITE of reddit (I hate twitch but I still watch these streamers, I hate youtube but I still watch yada-yada, etc;) can't anymore with the sub closed. Do what you want, but let everyone else do that, too.
In the same vein, Reddit moderators should be free to close down the subreddit. The subreddit is ultimately a reflection of their hard work and their values. They're the ones who take care of and manage the subreddit, and they're the ones disproportionately affected by the API changes.
It's no different from a forum admin closing down a forum. Ultimately, it's their decision and their right.
Hard disagree
When bus drivers quit, they don't get to keep the bus. Any admin who thinks they OWN their forum enough to close it down (Especially when they don't even own the website it's on) is power tripping. Again, individual users can do what they like, and any moderator who doesn't want to operate on new reddit doesn't have to, more power to 'em. But they don't take the slot with them when they leave.
Thankfully the mod team understands this, they talk about it in their return reddit post.
Honestly, I was kind-of hoping that any reopening of the sub would be for knowledge categorization and collection to be brought here.
We aren't closing the lemmy instance, once we open it, feel free to take guides to archive them here. Reddit shouldn't be the only repository of collected information by the fans. Historically, game information was spread out and exchanged throughout different forums so that the information constantly exists for fandoms with the most dedicated of users; a lot of our information we can't exactly store on the wiki, as they have are different ways to obtaining content as well as research and discussion to support why certain metas are the way they are.
Good, I like it here. I'll have to take a look through the sub once it reopens.
An unfortunate decision, but ultimately a rather understandable one. I have some mild complaints about Lemmy, primarily those related to how....incredibly alpha it feels on all the iOS browsers I've tried. Even despite that, given the whole reason for the blackout to begin with, I would've been more than happy to stay on here long term. "Well why don't you do just that, even if the sub reopens?" probably because the already incredibly small community (even including non-posting lurkers) here will all just pack up and leave back to reddit making this a total ghost town. Unfortunate, but thems the facts. Though perhaps I'm just trying to rationalize being a hypocrite. Dormi.Zone's a super cute name, too.
Wonder who'll be the first to post primed Wisp Ass and get all those sick reddit updoots.
I've said this elsewhere but I like the smaller and overall more positive community here, I don't even miss r/warframe and have no plans to go back unless this one dies completely. We dont need millions of active users to have a nice space here, and it's only a matter of time before reddit shits the bed again and people wish they had an alternative.
edit: about the browsing experience: I'm on kbin so the layout on dormi.zone is different for me. I have to say it feels very sleek and professional and with some user enhancement scripts I also have collapsing comment threads, domains next to all usernames and similar improvements.
tbf all ios browsers are just re-skins for safari, there's really only the one browser on ios.
Please do a community vote on the subreddit on whether people want it to stay closed. To be honest this sort of large decision should have been left up to the community rather than forced on to the community
reddit is the one forcing decisions into every community within it
it might not be as sudden as a temporary closure of a sub but will have longer lasting effects
I don't understand why people act as if it is the community that owns the subreddit. The moderators do, and it should be that way. They made the subreddit, they manage the subreddit, and they set the rules. It is only fair that they get a disproportionate say when they put in a disproportionate amount of work for the subreddit.
It looks like the whole conundrum of the issue is that Reddit own mobile website or mobile apps are not correctly showing the message on the closed sub, but only that it is now a private sub, see https://dormi.zone/comment/90345
It sucks that the corporation won once again, but I am happy that WF is one of the reddits I frequent that actually did it properly. You didn't fail us, mods, we failed you. I personally tried to stay off reddit completely, at least on the first two days and did limit my use of it in the next days after, but as the drug uses are coming back in droves, staying off it will not change much. Let's hope when RIP and Apollo close we get another wave of this.
I don't know about others, but I'm definitely not coming back - didn't visit reddit after the blackout at all and somehow I'm still alive - turns out I can live without it!
I'm honestly a bit disappointed in the decision to reopen, not really surprised, mind you, but disappointed. Still, if moderators want to keep volunteering and providing free labor for a site that treats them like dirt and users prefer to watch tons of ads there that's their prerogative and I genuinely and unironically hope it makes them happy. I'm much happier here, and that's why here is where I'll stay.
I'd like to not go back. Do you by any chance know a place that aggregates news headlines?
Try https://lemmyverse.net/communities
Grid View
List View
Adding a subscription is a little weird, in the grid view hover something you’re interest in like “!science@lemmy.ml” and click to copy that link. Next in the search bar of dormi.zone (or wherever you’re signed in) paste that text in and click subscribe.
*If you are on desktop, you can easily visit an instance without going through search like this:
Subscription Pending I think is related to high traffic. https://lemmy.one/post/204536
As for news, I get a 404 trying to connect to !world@lemmy.world but !android@lemmy.world works correctly for me from a dormi.zone instance.
No issues using !news@beehaw.org
*If you are seeing 404s when trying to view content from a different instance, try to make sure you set a language. Go to Settings > Languages > Pick a language from the dropdown and then click Save
For Warframe or in general? If it's the former, I just use the official website, if the latter, recently I'm a fan of https://www.newsminimalist.com/
so, are we just doing discussions about the original subreddit on reddit, or are we returning all our warframe posts to reddit?
My Warframe posts are staying here. Would be amusing if the sub was turned into just a meta-sub discussing the pre-blackout sub... in the same vein as the new John Oliver fan clubs.
grateful. it's nice to see an alternative, but it's rough knowing that the countless things i submitted were lost even to me (since, you know, privating a sub also makes it impossible for a user to retrieve even their own submitted content.)
good to hear
Just fully open it, you opening it to restricted is already submitting to the master. No reason to hurt the community more
I wouldn't say the community is hurt by being prevented from generating more free content for Reddit. This whole thing should be a stark reminder that the information you care about can easily vanish as long as it exists in a closed system.
Having it open to read is good for historical information and diverting new discussions to open platforms is good for preserving the existence of a community at all.
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