fact... potentially...
Yes, we're going to ignore a sensationalist conclusion that is not supported by evidence.
The actual model is just that, a model. It says that our universe can be described the same way as we describe the information systems around an event horizon, and in many cases in physics, if a system can be described using the same model it is often related, connected or the same in some way.
It's not sensationalist, but it's highly misinterpreted and turned into sensationalism.
It doesn't really give us anything meaningful that we can use or understand the universe better just yet, but maybe someday someone will figure out something that helps us better understand where the universe came from. That's all. It's a very convincing theory if you learn about entropy and Planck-scales and event horizons around black holes, but it's not even sensational on its own.
So like I've been vaguely paying attention to them finding larger, farther, and more red-shifted galaxies. I've been suspecting the universe is a black hole for a while now.
What if: information CAN survive the event horizon... but only if it hits the accretion disk from the side at the perfect angle to spiral in. That's why JWST is finding galaxies that are larger, older, and much more common than we'd anticipated -they're extra-universal objects.
What if dark energy is a function of hawking radiation... and the expansion of our universe is driven by primordial black holes? Maybe hawking radiation is the black hole equalizing the same anti-matter/matter asymmetry we've observed in our universe.
I'm sure someone formally educated on the subject can debunk those ideas tho.
I'm fairly educated but not formally on the subject.
The idea is this: conservation of information does not break anywhere we've ever observed, and much of physics is based around the immutable "conservations."
This means, whatever happens, whatever billiard ball configuration of particles things are in, you can calculate where they came from and how they got to that position. It's very basic to causality and we've never seen exceptions to it, aggressively so, the universe tends to do funny things just to preserve this kind of law. Except in black holes. All of our understanding about them says that even if they evaporate over vast time scales, there's still no way to "reassemble" the information that comes out, it's a cosmic information laundering service, which breaks a very fundamental conservation.
So, the idea is... what if information is preserved around the "edge" where we see particles slowly fall in and seem to take a literal eternity to fall in? What if that somehow retains all the knowledge of everything that fell in? When you calculate this idea up, you get a sea of information happening at the smallest possible scale, where information gets packed into it's densest possible state. And it also lines up almost exactly with what we imagine the universe to look like when describing it entirely as an information system. What's really happening in this situation is the universe is basically a flat "sheet" of information "bits" that curls around you, you the observer is sitting right into the center of this parabolic "lens" that assembles this information into a 3D picture of the universe. (See: holographic universe principle.) This idea that our observation of the universe is the center of a projection somewhat explains a lot of things like subjective experiences, a lot of quantum weirdness and what's happening at the quantum foam scale.
To understand this better you have to discard your understanding of locality and that your perceptions and experiences of time and space are largely illusions made by your brain to explain the input you're getting. There is no real such thing as "That thing is far away" it's more like "there's an informational rule how much time/space is between this event and that event."
I recommend PBS Spacetime, they did a lot of videos about the idea but they can be a bit heavy if you haven't caught up a little on entropy and time/space diagrams and black holes.
Pshhh I figured this out when I was 17 the first time I took psychedelics.
De sitter space and anti de sitter space took me a while to grok as it relates to all this stuff
My intellect level is dipshit: do you know a good source for me to study and learn about this?
I would consider backing up and learning to walk before you try to run, once you grasp the really difficult concepts surrounding this, when the concepts combine these much larger models it feels a lot more humbling and awe inspiring.
One of the better entry level docu-series is The History of the Universe series on youtube for when I just want to listen to the stories of how and what we learned and it goes over the materials many times in pretty simple ways. Since every idea and discovery is connected there's no wrong place to start.
I would suggest nasa.gov
As smug and pretentious Neil deGrasse Tyson is, he said it best, something along the lines of: What does this mean to us in the grand scheme of things? Nothing.
As I often do, I disagree with Tyson, the model may help us understand the origin or nature of the universe someday. It's just a model, but when a model can be tested or studied in some way, we generally tend to learn new, grand things about everything.
It's not sensational, because it doesn't say anything radical, other than show a very similar relationship between information systems in event horizons and the way our whole universe can be modeled as an information system.
I'm pretty sure that kind of knowledge falls under the "huh. Neat." category anyway. It's the kind of knowledge that, while a cool thing to learn, will have absolutely no bearing on my current life, and is not going to be likely to have any practical applications for many years to come.
It's for the folks plagued by existential dread that need to know where we came from. Well son, it's black holes the whole way down.
Heh. Ya take history far enough back, it's all there ever was. 🤷🏿♂️
abolish all rent. see the cat. seriously!
Makes sense. Everything in this universe sucks. Ha. I'm funny. Anyways...
So this means there are potentially millions of other universes whose portals are within our own?
Good, this one universe did seem a bit too small to hold my ego.
If you mean entering a black hole, well, parts of you will probably make it in. After the spaghettification.
Can't go to work if I'm 1 atom thick.
You'll have to log in remotely via teams
I'm sure the audio won't work in space, just like on Earth.
An atom will not be able to mute in a 10+ people meeting. You'll fit right in!
Just tell your landlord we're in a black hole and the rent doesn't matter.
Isn't matter the whole issue
Is it weird that I'm rooting for the black hole to destroy me?
Link to this? I had not heard that.
It's by no means confirmed. It's one theory out of many. The JWST data shows galaxies have a significant preference to all spin the same way. Mathematicians say this would be evidence in favor but not fully confirm the black hole theory (also called the Swarthschild theory if you want to DDG more). Some suspect it's bias from the rotation of our own galaxy affecting the data and they plan to calibrate more
"they plan to calibrate more"
Garrus approves.
The observed direction in galaxies, if true, may be a hint towards an idea that is much older, and it involves the way the universe can be modeled as an information system and how those information systems function around event horizons. It's hard to even give a fast summary without dropping an essay about a lot of our misconceptions about time and space and the Planck scale, etc. But the most we may get from it might be a better understanding of things like the actual shape of our universe and why/how it's expanding and other observational goals.
Do you have an essay you could throw at me, or some kind of video that explains it in reasonably understandable detail?
I highly recommend PBS Spacetime, they did a number of videos on black holes, information and the holographic universe principle. Otherwise, I replied here with a short essay, but reading it I realize how woefully inadequate my description is.
I follow PBS Spacetime already, so chances are I've seen the videos you're thinking of and can't remember them offhand. I'll give your link a read tho, thanks!
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