In that lady's defense, I'm pretty sure the opening scene of The Thing was intentionally written to make people go "what the fuck? why are they shooting at that dog?!"
Yes, and in the guy's defense, the rest of the movie is written to reveal more info.
In that lady's defense, some people seem to have their internal monologue tuned to the wrong frequency, and usually blurt it out instead.
Should switch that off at the movie tbh
Matter of taste. For my part, I don't like watching movies with anyone who can't carry a conversation while it's happening. I love getting the live reactions and theories as the movie is still playing out.
It's not a matter of taste if you're in a movie theater.
Sure it is. It's a matter of the taste of the people in the movie theatre.
Also I think they literally tell you (just not in English) why they're shooting at it at the beginning of the movie.
Iirc "fun it's not a dog it's a thing run"
Oh yeah then explain Tenet
Magical machine can make time work backwards.
Is it really that hard to explain?
But you can't breath backwards air? Yeah, just move past it.
It's magical. Don't worry about it
Christopher Nolan's ideas are better than his executions.
Christopher Nolan's ideas are all: imagine this story, BUT get this: the timeline is fucked.
That's every single Nolan movie.
I had a friend once who, if I'd seen a film and they hadn't, would ask me questions every few minutes throughout the movie about things it was foreshadowing but hadn't fully shown yet. If not being omniscient is that painful, run to the bathroom, read the plot summary on Wikipedia, and come back – ruin the film for yourself on your own time.
After the third question, I would explain the plot and ending. They learned to stop asking.
He has never watched a David Lynch film before.
I watched lost highways at movie night a couple of weeks ago. It was my first Lynch movie.
I despise it when the plot twist in a movie is that the guy imagined everything. And the movie was comically slow. I'm one who enjoys the process of cobbling together self referential details to get to the broader picture. And yet the disappointment of finding out it was all a delusion ruined the entire thing.
I didn't like it, wouldn't recommend. Sooner or later I'll watch another Lynch movie, maybe I'll change my mind.
I just wanted to vent
Twin Peaks (the 1990 series) is a pretty approachable Lynch experience (and very good) but you do have to get used to the slow pacing. The story builds and doubles back and wrinkles, sometimes erratically, but the strange drama and excellent characters really are worth experiencing. If you hate it you probably aren't going to appreciate his really weird stuff either.
Or just jump straight into Eraserhead.
My first Lynch experience was Mulholland Drive. Partway through the film, the two lead women literally switch roles with no explanation. I was like what the fuck is this trash.
But then someone recommended I watch The Elephant Man, and I loved it so...
spoiler
One way to interpret 'Mulholland Drive' is that the first part is a dream of 'Betty'. The second part is the reality.
When this happens to me, I think it’s a bit of a mental decision between “They’re going to explain it, it’s meant to be mysterious now.” and “They explained it poorly”.
Biggest pet peeve is when the plot centers on one key character that people only talk about, and you never see. Or when one key piece of information is muttered in a heavy accent during five other things happening.
I of course love the former. I’ve been burnt by the latter many times, like “Oh, I should’ve rewound the movie.”
The scene in question is the opening scene of the film. It is fully explained pretty early in the second act. Definitely intended to be the "mysterious" option in this case.
I didn’t find TENET confusing at all. I feel like it makes perfect sense if you actually pay attention.
It wasn't confusing but the logic of its mechanics weren't consistent. I think some people thought there was logic to follow, hence the confusion.
(Spoilers, obviously)
Nothing confusing about TENET at all, huh? In the very first scenes a guy gets reverse shot by a bullet embedded in the side of the stairs of an opera, and the bullet is "sucked" into the muzzle of a gun, and the ugly hole in the stairs goes away.
In our forward moving time: what is the origin of that hole? When did it appear? Has it been there since the opera was built? Did the people building these stairs do that with a big ugly hole in it, possibly with an embedded bullet? If not, where and when did it come from?
The thing is, the whole premise of forward+backwards moving things sharing the same reality falls apart if you stop to think about it for a minute.
Yeah that scene where he's needlessly fighting himself made complete sense. If you see yourself coming up to you with an intent to fight a battle you've already fought, confront yourself nevertheless as it's way easier than just showing your identity.
BWAAAAHM
Conceptually, sure. But the last big setpiece made no sense from a visual perspective. I feel like you would need to show an overhead view of the map simultaneously, to actually keep track of what was happening.
I have always found it weird whenever people say they don't get TENET, Inception or Interstellar on their first watch. I thought the plot were simple enough to understand.
Right? They were pretty easy to follow. So easy that I've noticed about a dozen plotholes in them. Maybe these plotholes were confusing people, because they thought there would be a good explanation to them, that they are not getting. Nope, there aren't. They are just full of plotholes.
ME: I dunno Hon, let's watch and find out.
THE HON: [Pulls out phone to look it up] Siri says it's because ...
There are types of Tenet watchers
One who doesn't know what the fuck is happening.
And the other who doesn't want to admit that they don't know what the fuck is happening.
Then there's Christopher Nolan laughing at us, because he made the movie as confusing as possible, because one upon a time, he witnessed someone committing the horrific sin of watching Interstellar on a 720p 4.5" Android Phone¹, so he decides to enact this revenge arc by making a movie in the 5th dimention that nobody but his 5d brain can understand.
¹Yes I did that 👀
I watched Tenet while sick in bed on my phone. Some people are traveling backwards through time. there's a conspiracy. some ex soviet dickhead wants money.
it's not worth MAKING THE PANDEMIC WORSE YOU PRETENTIOUS TWAT
The second time I watched Interstellar (The first time being in the cinema), I paused the movie as they launched the rocket, went and bought a surround sound system because I had a pretty good paycheck that month, and resumed the movie. Haven't regretted it a bit.
sin of watching Interstellar on a 720p 4.5" Android Phone
I wached it on a plane's entertainment system, I'm not even sure it was 720p, I used the airline's headphones and there were no subtitles.
Idk, Tenet didn't seem that complex to me?
If anything, it's decent at hiding things from you at first and then providing explanations later. And if you watch again, some things suddenly make more sense now that you know about the inverted people.
At the end of the day, remember that temporal pincer movement that they explained in the part in Tallinn? Where you send people in both forwards and backwards into some point so one group has information from the other (or it's the same people going into the same time multiple times)? The whole movie is temporal pincer movements encompassed within each other so there's shorter periods of people going inverted, but also longer ones - towards the end they go several days if not weeks inverted so they can go back to when Sator's on the boat with his wife around the same time as the attack in the "Kyiv Opera House" (actually filmed in Tallinn City Hall) at the beginning of the movie.
I'm sure there's details I've missed, and for sure I don't remember the exact order of each inversion and what happened exactly when. But broad strokes, it's easy to understand and doesn't take a superior 5d brain at all. My average ADHD brain can handle it.
It’s not complex; it’s convoluted. That’s how Nolan works. It’s a good thing that he’s a great director, because he’s a terrible writer.
It took me three viewings but I was finally able to follow the plot. I honestly loved it.
I watched the first time and was utterly confused, but I was sure there was a narrative that I just wasn't following so a couple weeks later I watched it again. This time I figured out the mechanics of the plot but I did lose the continuity. So, I watched it like 2 days later and literally took notes (like 3 sentances, not an academic study), and was able to follow the entire plotline.
Probably doesn't sound like fun to many, but for me it was an ideal movie watching experience. It provided the experience Inception promised but never lived up to (I did enjoy it as well, but it was not challenging to follow).
First act: confusion. Third act: payoff. Cinema, baby.
My wife is the worst about asking a question during a movie or TV show that gets answered within like 30 seconds of her asking. We call it pulling a [wife's name]
Tenet is an anti-film. You watch it and lose information as it goes on.
exactly, their explanation of the backwards-in-time-travelling bullets started making less and less sense as the movie went on
My wife is a pretty even keeled person. Tenet made her visibly angry and to this day, I have to consider her current mood before I mention it.
Yes but sometimes I miss that information or it's obvious to other people and not me. So sometimes, I ask my partner.
This is why my typical response is "we don't know yet" or, if I've seen it already "they haven't told/showed us yet"
My ex used to do this. We be watching a film, and then she'd start playing with her phone, then she would look up from her phone after about 10 minutes and say, "what's happening". I still maintain that there is no more of an aggravating personality trait.
Nope, I've got one worse: My father.
Watching a movie. A character is introduced.
My dad: Oh look who that is, it's Fleeg Fleegerson. He was in, ooooooh, that movie with Heeb Leebert and Dick Tickle where the bad guys hold an airliner hostage as a misdirection for robbing it? Sky Hard? Yeah. And he died in the sequel. His dad used to be John Wayne's shoe shiner's understudy, married Cla Cla Rodrigruez, Fla Fla's sister. You ever seen any of Fla Fla Rodriguez's movies? She made 445 films between the age of 5 and 11 as the singing dancing child thing that didn't get a real upbringing or childhood and they starved her so she'd stay short and it messed up her bones, and they gave her a gallon of laudanum a day for the pain, and then once she grew up she got typecast as a femme fatale in noir movies. She died in 2009 of huge pox, I hated to hear that.
Also my dad: So now where are they going?
All I can think of re Nolan is the inception south park episode.
'and then it's like du du du du da da da da gnnarr bang pew du du du du'
Because Nolan makes fun films unwatchable with awful mixing and his cringe attempts at writing. If only he'd let the experts do their jobs and just direct.
Tenet reminds me of the game Braid.
Braid is a platformer where you can reverse time on demand. At first it seems so easy. Just reverse time any time you make a mistake. But then you encounter items that don't get reversed in time. At first this seems like an annoyance, but you have to learn how to utilize this odd behavior to advance in the game. It's a clever mechanic that's difficult to fully grasp.
It turns out that having some things exempt from the normal flow of time gets really complicated.
Reminds me of my grandmother's famous cry... in waking up at random times during a movie or TV show
"is he dead yet? "
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