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So I don't think it's unreasonable to say the 2024 maga coalition comprised of Christian Nationalists, People upset over Sleepy Joe's Economy, New American white nationalism (featuring DEI), and Insane right wing conspiracy theorists who ranged from way a bit interested in Epstien to Qanon fanatic.

I watched a vid of Owens reacting to Erica Kirk out of curiosity and jesus its literally just her going after the Admin and mainstream GOP. Shes fairly popular and I think shes representative of how everyone who isn't a GenX or older Christian Nationalist has basically left MAGA.

I really think the pure fucking incompetence of Trump 2 is splitting the base. The economy sucksx, Kash Pattel FBI is making the conspiracy theorists insane with how incompetent it is, no Epstien files, and the deportations are pissing of the racists by not being evil enough.

The only thing holding MAGA together RN is Trump as a figure head to a lot of boomer republicans, and Christian Nationalism to said boomer republicans. The second Trump Dies MAGA falls apart. The rest of the base fucking hates everyone else in the Admin.

They also fucking hate Israel and are now extremely antisemetic (what everyone was saying was going to happen after the genocide started) The thing is, the Owens part of the right won't be let into power once Trump dies because they hate Israel, so MAGA will be Given Vance who they hate and without Trump they'll react incredibly negatively.

I think they think they can unite in a war against venezuela but it won't work. Owens or Fuentes will say the US is invading for Israel and the Jews and the base will hate the war.

I think MAGA has 100% lost control of the base and its gonna be crazy to see what happens when Trump dies. It will be a fascist regime in power which is despised by the left, liberals, and the fucking nazis.

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[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago

You've been watching Bernie sheepdog lefties back to the DNC every election cycle, you think the far right doesn't have their own people? Most of these folks have paychecks that lead back to one billionaire or another. They'll do what they're told.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 days ago

There's always intra-class conflict among the bourgeoisie, what we're seeing now is probably a slap-fight between billionaires.

[-] Hyper_red@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

I don't even think it's that

We live in a grift and grind economy and rn Owens is probably the best at it.

She makes so much fucking money off of this and is killing her competition in right wing "independent media" by basically saying they all work for Israel and helped kill Charlie Kirk

I think it's mostly a grift

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

It's totally a grift but it's telling that the grift is moving in from supporting trump to .... whatever the fuck they're cooking up...

[-] Hyper_red@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

I don't think the money is coming from the people behind Trump, a lot of it is 10 dollar donations coming in every second.

I think some of it is genuine support

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago

I mean I agree but grifting to small donors instead of large donors is still grifting.

[-] Hyper_red@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

I think it's a big difference because Charlie Kirk grifted to the Koch brothers and other billionaires as a pro trump guy

Owens is grifting to the anti maga new right that is being created and is getting 10 dollars donations from racist white women in west Virginia and ohio.

One is 100% fake and only exists due to corporate funding and the other has actually weight with actual people behind it

Makes Owens scarier

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

Would be a great opportunity for the USian left to show up, if it existed

[-] Hyper_red@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

The issue with that is the kash pattel fbi is actively looking for arrest everyone on the left

They're legit creating Honeypot traps and shit trying to find a way to arrest anyone on the left

[-] Hyper_red@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

I think Owens is doing this because every live stream she gets thousands in donations and sponsorships and is currently making more money riding off this wave of antisemitism, anger at Trump from the right, and the Kirk stuff than anyone else on the planet

It is 100% a grift and she's probably making hundreds of thousands if not millions off of this

[-] mrfugu@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

No matter how you slice it, at the end of the day when Trump dies there will be no “true successor” to MAGA

[-] Hyper_red@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

I think they're gonna force Vance and it will be a disaster

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 days ago

The Silicon Valley coup of the party.

[-] Hyper_red@hexbear.net 2 points 4 days ago

I think if that happens they'll lose any gains the made with zoomers

[-] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

I remember back when Trump was first becoming popular there was a lot of hope that he would fracture the party. It didn't happen. The entire right ended up rallying behind him, and I suspect the same will happen with whoever manages to win the next Republican primary after he's gone as long as they're sufficiently ghoulish.

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