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submitted 5 months ago by RedWizard@hexbear.net to c/movies@hexbear.net

This is a cool show. I can't help but hate Carol, and I can't figure out if the show is trying to make me hate her or if she really is supposed to be some kind of antihero. It's interesting that we have very little information about what the lives of the other individuals were like before the joining. Carol is very petit bourgeois coded, clearly your archetypical western chauvinist. She's basically monolingual, a fantasy slop mogul, deeply uncurious, self centered, and stubborn. She assumes that everyone else who is unjoined is of the same mind set, and the only other character aligned with her appears to be even more antisocial then she is.

It's hard to say what this show is really about. There was that throw away line in the second or third episode where Carol says she is the "second greatest mass murder next to Stalin" and you could read this so many ways. Yet the show makes it very clear that the world Carol wants to return to is one full of harm and violence. That her resistance to this situation actively kills people

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a show that doesn't know how it ends and keeps running on a treadmill for several sessions.

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[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

I read that Bince has at least 4 seasons worth of content prepared for the show, so who knows where this is going.

[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago

4 seasons worth of content prepared for the show

At this pace it's one season's worth of content stretched into four

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

I want to have faith in Bince. Like he's laying the groundwork for something. But, only time will tell I guess.

[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

Yep. I think the pace feels indulgent, for now, rather than padding. I'm enjoying it for the most part, despite that

[-] Keld@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a show that doesn't know how it ends and keeps running on a treadmill for several sessions.

It is literally doing that in its first season

[-] daniyeg@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

it's either that carol is the only one blind to the situation because of her negative qualities, or that carol is the only one aware of how fucked up it is despite her negative qualities, but keeps failing because of them.

it would be cool if it was the first, but also that would mean the show would be sort of pro-hivemind or at least consider it as another sentient being instead of being characterized as some sort of invasive horde, which would be almost incredibly rare amongst media that features hiveminds.

i fear like the show might pull a twist where the hive has done/is doing something horrifying that would make them completely evil,

spoileror that HDP is supposed to be the twist and we should be extremely horrified that the others are drinking human corpses, which although disgusting is not really that shocking.

it's an interesting show, but it could easily affirm western chauvinism instead of being critical of it. episode 7 really didn't change anything so im still waiting to see which direction will the show choose.

[-] Gorillatactics@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

I love how Vince made a tv show based on the premise my friend Rhea is cool and talented and I'm doing this so she can shine.

There have been a lot of comments calling the Mauritanian dude aremoved, an understandable read to be sure. But I'm surprised I haven't seen any comments reading it as Diabate being groomed by a super intelligence.

[-] Keld@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago

If a person orders someone without free will to have sex with them and the "someone" complies, the person being groomed is not the guy giving the orders.

[-] Gorillatactics@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

We dont know how the hive works currently so its assumptions on assumptions either way. Its interesting that individualism is so ingrained that the leading assumption is that there is a true self being repressed by being joined rather than that a transformation occurred.

[-] Keld@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Even if a transformation occurred, they have been shown to not be able to refuse a request even at the risk of harm to bodies which constitute part of the hivemind. Their preference was clearly not to give Carol a nuke, but they would if asked.

[-] Arahnya@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I took some quotes from vince on the show:

“I just want people to get along. First and foremost, it’s just a TV show. No TV show is going to cure cancer, so to speak,” the Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul creator told Decider over Zoom. “I want people to be along for the ride. Enjoy it. Be engaged by Carol. And that’s easy, because Rhea is just magnificent. And she just such a wonderful job. I want people to enjoy the show just like any other TV show. At the end of the day, that’s all I really hope for. But, this is so grandiose to say it, but the country is so divided…”

“As a writer, speaking to a room full of writers, I have a proposal; it certainly won’t fix everything, but I think it’s a start. I say we write more good guys. For decades we made the villains too sexy [and] viewers everywhere, all around the world, pay attention. They say, ‘Here’s this badass, I want to be that cool.’ When that happens, fictional bad guys stop being the precautionary tales they were intended to be. God help us, they’ve become aspirational.”

“The country is so divided. The world — I can’t speak for the rest of the world, I’ll speak for the United States — but it feels like the precipice of civil war. There’s nothing funny at all about that. And I don’t believe for a minute that either side, no matter what your personal beliefs are, I don’t believe that either side wants it this way,” Gilligan told Decider. “Nobody of good will wants things to be the way they are right now. And I’m not talking politics. I’m talking about people being at each other’s throats. I’d like this show — as grandiose as it is to say — my lottery win version of this would be that people watch this thing and they say, ‘Maybe there’s a better way.’ It’d be fun for me. It’d be more than fun. It’d be deeply satisfying.”

“I don’t know if it ought to be like it it in Pluribus either, because then we potentially lose all our individuality. There’s reasons you don’t want it to be like the world of Pluribus, but is there somewhere in the middle between the two?” Gilligan asked.

What do y'all think?

[-] Keld@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It is amazing how basically whenever any showrunner or film maker is invited to explain their vision, they always sound like the most vapid people ever.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 5 months ago

For my own sake I started to imagine the clock going into weeks instead of days because it's dosen't make sense that had only passed 10 days (?) to episode 6.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

Vince Gilligan has openly stated that they're trying their damnedest to subvert almost every zombie apocalypse trope. The people within the Joining are all happy and explicitly have all their faculties and want to be a part of it (if only because the psychic glue commands them to). They're eating people because corpses are just a shitload of calories to allow to go to waste when your behavioral imperatives prevent harvesting food. Carol's slow downward spiral in episode 7 does a pretty good job getting across that just as the tagline says she is the most miserable person on Earth, and the least popular by far. There's essentially only 14 other people on the planet now, and the one with 7.7 billion bodies has been avoiding her while another 11 shun her and the last one seems to be a bit unhinged and is absolutely shaping up to be some sort of villain.

I don't know why people say this isn't going anywhere. It's a heavily character-focused story, much like everything else Gilligan's made. The guy is good at doing slow burns. He's proven it. I have enough patience and trust in the story to want to see where it's going. Every revelation about the hive mind so far has been substantial and painted a deeper picture of the world. Christ's sake I have severe ADHD and I feel like so many people have media takes stemming from a miniscule attention span. Maybe it also helps that I spent years nitpicking absolutely every piece of media and ruining it for myself and now try to find the unique parts that shine through all the noise. I love this show so far. It's fucking hilarious. It's an intriguing premise. And I actually like watching Carol be miserable and slowly realizing she's doing it to herself by being a raging bitch and refusing to see any other perspectives at all. And it makes it very easy to get into her headspace. She sees that the world has essentially ended and nobody else is concerned. Nobody else seems to understand it, as far as she can tell, but maybe it's because her only real human connection died in the Joining and she's extremely alienated by the Hive using her dead wife's memories to try and butter her up while she's still in absolute shock from both the Joining and her sudden loss and grief and total absence of anyone to share it with. Everyone else has family members who are still alive and are now suddenly nicer, smarter, and more capable than they've ever been. Diabate comes across as a man who probably had absolutely nothing before and now feels like he gets to play in Creative Mode.

I think what the show is about is just how these 13 individuals are dealing with an irreversible apocalypse. I don't think it's a certainty that Carol will reverse the Joining; this could be a Childhood's End situation. I want to see where it goes.

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