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Every month USA will be less and less competitive in the EV space. The world will not wait for us.
Ya they will...they'll wait to pounce on a soft target.
"you voted for this"
-one of like 12 people in kentucky who didn't vote for trump
16000 in the county this plant is in voted for Harris.
At our last contact negotiation one of the stewards said pretty much the same thing to a guy who would not shut the fuck up about how the company was doing better than it would let on. And that his department was being shuttered out of spite.
This was weeks after Trump was elected, and we all kind of knew tariffs were coming. We had stronger membership than we'd ever had but everyone was extremely nervous about how much steel would even be available to buy. Last time he was elected the company hemorrhaged money on steel because of the Cheeto.
So this guy was a well known trump supporter, and the Steward understandably lost his cool when the guy leveled one accusation after another at him.
He did end up keeping a job, he had to take RIF but he's still employed.
I live in a purple county of a very red state. I get where he's coming from. Most of the union guys vote for pro union candidates. "You voted for this" is something we all kind of think once a day.
Whoa, I want to point out that 2/3 of Kentucky adults didn't vote for Trump.
That's also a terrible statistic, because Trump voters outnumber all other voters by almost 2:1. I'm sure other half of eligible voters would not have turned the needle the other way, but 700k voters did not want him.
At the same time, they didn’t vote for this.
Wow their population is between 1900-2700. Obviously not every employee lives there, but it means less people going there / being there. That's going to have catastrophic local effects.
Yup. All those lunches or coffee/something in the morning on the way to work. Gone. Have the day you voted for.
Plus half the fuel stations, since no-one is driving to work, and half the mechanics, and the car lots, and the car washes. And pretty much most of everything else, since belts will have to be further tightened than they already were.
Fucked around, found out. Zero sympathy.
They yearn for the coal mines.
This is also partly Ford's fault. The F150 Lightning is very heavy and very expensive. It's capabilities as a truck aren't that great for the pricetag. They needed to be making more smaller, affordable EVs than shooting for the moon.
They're still making the Mustang Mach-E, and that CUV sells better than the actual Mustang.
The guys that founded Tesla (not Elon) actually did a great market analysis. They said EVs are expensive, so you don't start at the budget end. You actually start at the expensive luxury end. With trucks though it's hard because the buyers think they need a towing truck and the aerodynamics and thus range are awful.
To be fair, the F-Series trucks make up almost 39% of all vehicles fold by Ford in the USA (2024), plus . Americans overwhelming want big trucks from Ford, they're listening to their customers, their customers are just wrong though lol.
Ford Brand Total - 1,974,009
Ford Trucks Total - 1,158 964
F-Series - 765,649
but fords main customers base only drives large overcompensated trucks, they arnt going to buy small ones.
Speaking of which, IDK why anyone would want a Mach-E. Sat in one and it was mind-blowing just how Spartan the interior of those cars are. Even the real Mustangs have have nicer interiors, and sports cars aren't exactly known for their luxury. But the Mustang might as well be a Bugatti by comparison to the Mach-E.
Noticed that trend in a lot of EVs lately, actually. They all seem to have the same bare-bones, Tesla-like interiors: all you get is just a steering wheel, somefake leather seats, some vents, and a giant screen that covers half the dashboard. And they expect people to pay $100K for these econo-boxes.
To be fair, people have been voting with their wallet as well. EVs aren't hitting the sales numbers the auto manufacturers wanted them to hit. Removing the subsidies doesn't help. Well it doesn't help US manufacturers, it does help China get ahead in the EV market and be better positioned for the future.
This is technically true, but misses the context of massive PR and smear campaigns against EVs on social media. People voted with their wallet after being bombarded with propaganda on EVs being somehow more dangerous, somehow worse for the environment, and that it's more fun apparently to go to a gas station every week.
Me, an EV owner who hasn't gone to a gas station in 2 years now, has had no maintenance, and happily charges at home
I love how everyone was freaking out about the effects of EVs on the grid but no one gives a fuck about AI's energy usage.
Lots of people give a fuck about AI's energy usage, but the data centers are paying off the people that could do something about it.
Turns out it was never them being worried about the power usage at all...
I get what you're saying but EVs are totally different than data centers in terms of electrical load distribution.
EV can help smooth out usage spikes with two way energy transfer.
I think it's more the price than anything else. Tesla is nowhere near a premium car, let alone a luxury one, but sells for luxury car prices. Of course other manufacturers wanted to jump on this train with spectacular profit margins.
For most A to B drivers a new EV is completely out of their price range. Not to mention a bunch of them live in apartments so they would effectively still have to go to a "gas" station to fill up, except now it takes 3 times as long.
Price is the only reason that I've seen that I respect. They are more expensive. If you can afford one I recommend switching, if you can't then I understand.
No charging at home is doable, but it wouldn't be easy, so I also respect that one - but I recommend something like a plugin hybrid for when you can.
For 80% of Americans who have at least 2 cars and a garage though, there's no reason not to have one of them be an EV. You have a place to charge at home so you never need gas, and yes it's more expensive but if you have a garage and can afford more than one car, then maybe hold on for the extra 10k to get an EV.
Largest ev markets are CA and NY and there number of people living in SFHs is closer to 55%.
I have a phev that I regret since I had to get a minivan and now drive it exclusively on long trips so phev is basically full electric in the city now, but I have to burn gas anyway since otherwise ice components get messed up from disuse.
My (somewhat niche) reason is I need a wheelchair accessible car and I can't find any company that modifies the only electric minivan I'm aware of to install a ramp.
Yeah, but the EV companies could have ran counter attacks if it was that easy.
If it provides any context at all, I want my next vehicle to be an EV. I've already had my electrician run large enough conduit to add L2 charging to my garage when I added electricity to my garage this year. My dream vehicle is actually the Rivian R1T.
Having a charger at home is honestly so freaking nice. I just don't think about gas or gas stations or anything. I will never go back to ICE vehicles after this one
I try to tell people this all the time. They always say they're worried about range and I slays remind them that it's plugged in when you're home so you always start the day with full range. Unlike an ICE where your range dwindles with every drive until you make a specific stop at a gas station. Also not having to worry about oil changes has to be amazing.
The problem for me is the absolutely criminal rates for DC fast charging, and the fact that almost every EV charger is trying to lock you in to an ecosystem. This is pretty easy to fix though.
What I learned driving my EV for a year is that people don't have range anxiety, they have charging anxiety. When you are on a trip in your EV, it is very difficult to find a charger without pulling over and futzing around in a few apps. Meanwhile, for gas cars, they've had 2+ stations at every exit for the last hour with prices on billboards that can be seen from miles away.
People want simple, repairable EVs for less than $80k. There is a reason they wont allow the cheap chinese EVs into america, they would destroy the american auto makers overnight.
and most people don't want an ipad on wheels. I know most cars are just screens now, but I don't know of any EVs that has buttons, knobs, or actual window cranks. I don't want to go 3 screens deep just to turn on the AC.
There was a company pitching this idea a while ago.
Yep... here it is
Gonna take this opportunity to be a corporate shill and praise my Kia EV6. They really nailed the layout of the dash. It's a good blend of digital and physical. Hope more manufacturers learn from them.
Hyundai and Kia seemed to figure thar out pretty quick.
I sat in an Hyundai Inster recently. The interiour was almost identidal to my old I10. The price tag, though...
I don't have to go 3 screens deep to turn on my AC in my EV...
Popping the trunk, or turning on the windshield defogger is another story though. Hit the HVAC button on the bottom right of the center screen, then hit the defog option, then close the menu, and set your temp and fan speed from the main screen. Good thing you never need to mess with that while you are driving, it would be very distracting.
The transition requires incentives, and if we don't do it someone else China? will.
Yeah, I mentioned that.
That's Mitch McConnell country, those greasy pricks love fucking up 🙏
To the ones who didn't vote for this you have my support. For those that did you can fuck right off back to your cesspool life.
Red oblast problems. Zero sympathy and go find a job with Lada in fucking Russia.
"Instead of plowing billions into the future knowing these large EVs will never make money, we are pivoting," Ford Chief Executive Jim Farley said in an interview with the WSJ.
And yet, you "plowed billions into the future" by building a brand new goddamn factory, you idiot.
No. They voted to be racist. They are too fucking dumb to think if anything else.
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