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[-] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Hawkernews being unhinged capitalists as always:

aeternum: 18h

Sad.

And perhaps a controversial take but consider the counterfactual: Should it be illegal to fire employees that recent took mental health leave? Get a bad review or put on a PIP? It's already becoming a common strategy to immediately take mental health/sick leave.

0xbadc0de5: 3h

This is sad and tragic but ultimately I don't think Mongo bares any responsibility here. If her partner left her while she was having a prolonged mental health crisis, would her partner be to blame for her suicide? I would argue: no.

You're just an expendable cog to the money machine to techbros.

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is sad and tragic but ultimately I don't think Mongo bares any responsibility here

Annie was on leave receiving intensive mental health treatment when MongoDB demanded her immediate return to work. She asked for an extension to complete her treatment, or at the least a short period to consult with her medical providers about whether and how she might be able to return to work before the treatment was completed. Instead, MongoDB terminated her health insurance and then fired her in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act and the New York State and City Human Rights Laws. Shortly afterward, Annie took her own life.

Yeah demanding she return to work is the part where they bare responsibility.

The frustrating part about being an American is tying work to healthcare.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 13 points 2 days ago

Work being tied to healthcare only makes sense if the entire country would work like a corporation.... Oh wait..

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 224 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is something you learn the hard way about neoliberal meritocracy..."They only hire the best and you fight to get there, you're the best until you inevitably aren't at your best...and once you aren't at your best even for a moment of weakness, then you are not the best...and you never were". This is why everyone needs protection from a work culture that burns through people.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago

This is why everyone needs protection from a work culture that burns through people.

You are all welcome to Europe for that. Come on over.

[-] velindora@lemmy.cafe 61 points 3 days ago
[-] X@piefed.world 12 points 3 days ago

I dunno, if they create a braindrain, I’m okay with that.

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[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 22 points 3 days ago

For now anyway. Europe is not immune to fascism.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Definitely not, but we still have much more favorable worker laws.

[-] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 8 points 3 days ago

definitely. we have to fight, and HARD, to not fall into what America is becoming.

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[-] Quokka@quokk.au 37 points 3 days ago

Europe's going through a pretty big racist anti-immigrant phase, so probably not the best of ideas.

[-] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 24 points 3 days ago

Who's downvoting this??? It's literally true. Listen to any debate of european legislatures on immigration and they will just say the things the American right has dogwhistles for.

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[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

It doesn’t seem like Europe is very open to American immigrants these days….

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[-] Krono@lemmy.today 103 points 3 days ago

In my experience, when you bring up FMLA, then you're going to be fired.

Its a well-intentioned protection, but not enough legal teeth. Corporations have learned how to work around it.

This problem will continue to get worse until workers gain power in our society. Mass unionization or socialist revolution would solve the problem; both are very unlikely.

All that is left is violence; may a thousand Luigi's bloom.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

this must be an american thing.

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

it really is wild how toothless american labor is

[-] Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Land of the free (to be exploited by a rich white minority)

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

"American Labor" once threw bombs at police and fought actual battles with the National Guard, it's been a long war and the capitalists have used every means in the last 100 years to bring labor to where it is today. We live under the most sophisticated police surveillance state with a global military with what seems like endless resources. It's not so much labor has no teeth but we are gripped at the throat by capital. We can fight back, we still have the means.

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

so, let's just say that theoretically there came to be one of those unicorn morale billionaires. someone who came from nothing but eventually came to learn how this whole fucked system came about, then exploited it themselves to grab as much $ as they can (ie. just yoinked $ from the stock market during a crash...about as morale as making $ you didnt work for gets) but they didn't let it corrupt them nor get distracted by the bread & circus.

an actual proper robinhood type, that just has effectively infinite $ to throw into the Great Game, how would this person go about affecting as much pro-labor change in the ol' USA?

to me, the most impactful area appears to be media control. murdoch as his fingers in damn near everything, the propagandas grip undeniable once you finally become aware of it. various other far right/lib billionaires either outright own or otherwise heavily influence damn near every media company, to include NPR. the only mainstream outlet that even remotely acknowledges/covers the genocide in palestine (though still refuses to call it a genocide) is AP news.

[-] Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Yes we have no mandatory paid breaks. If you get a holiday you are lucky. We have no medical protection. Few states have mandatory accrual of some days off or sick day. It's horrible here.

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[-] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Supposedly theres a general mass strike planned for 2028. I'll be participating as a UAW member.

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 days ago

Over 2 years away? What will that even do?

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 11 points 3 days ago

This is always what bothered me about being American.

We protest on convenient days because most people can't be bothered on work days.

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Without work, we lose our job. Without job, no healthcare or house or food or any kind of assistance. No unions to really speak of and no safety net. System has us by the balls.

They say 36 hours without food causes total upheaval, it seems like that is what will be necessary for an acute change.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago

I’m sure this happens to thousands of people every year in America. It’s good that awareness is being spread about our dystopian hellscape

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago

Happened to me. Went on leave specifically for mental health issues caused by work. Fired first day of leave.

[-] softwarist@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

I'm glad you're still with us, friend. Hope everything's alright.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 94 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The sad thing is what is expected now: the manager who made this decision will get fired, if we’re lucky. But their bosses who set the policy, incentives and company culture to do this will apologize profusely, initiate some corporate training and proceed to change nothing. And neither will any other company.

All over database software, that functions alright as is.


The state of things feels pretty depressing to me. It feels like accountability at the highest levels is vanishing, especially when I see people like Bezos, Zuck or Musk (or more local leaders outside of my online habits) pursue completely irrational things, with zero consequence. It’s not getting any better; it’s getting so bad even the impact the economy and quality-of-life is getting hard to ignore.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 3 days ago

I actually think the expected reality is worse:

The family will likely settle out of court. MongoDB will admit to no wrongdoing and the settlement will be sealed and there will be an NDA signed by the family, essentially making it impossible for future employees to get the help they need.

If the family really, really cares about their daughter's legacy, they need to hold out until MongoDB is willing to admit to wrongdoing, even if it means they don't see a penny.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Mongo's strategy will be no different than any other corporate: circle the wagons, put out some "empathetic" release, then get back to maximizing revenue.

[-] Matriks404@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

>Capitalism doesn't kill people

They fooled us.

[-] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 78 points 3 days ago

I had this happen to me at a company that is now an IBM subsidiary. I took FMLA leave to get mental health help to cope with the burnout, and about a week after I got back, they took me into an office for a "quick catch-up meeting" where they told me it wasn't working out and that I had to go. I'd worked my balls off, getting promoted directly from product support up to software engineering within a year, but apparently that didn't indicate anything positive to them.

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

yup, taking fmla just signals to these jackals that you actually know your rights...and they don't want you potentially spreading that knowledge via cultural osmosis into their company

[-] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Does it rhyme with bedcat?

[-] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 16 points 3 days ago

I'll just come out and say it was SevOne, although it was well before the acquisition. This was right around the time they got a huge infusion of cash from Chinese investors.

[-] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Sorry, must have been rough.

[-] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 15 points 3 days ago

Thanks, it was. What's sad is that, when it was just owned by Bain Capital (Mitt Romney's company), things were actually excellent. Great benefits, great work-life balance, if you needed a break you took a break. Then the Chinese money came in and all of a sudden everything went to shit.

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[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago

And Mongo is now on the eternal shit list. As far as I’m concerned this is not merely abuse, it is premeditated murder.

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[-] flightyhobler@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago
[-] catarina@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 days ago

Heartbreaking. And revolting. All these companies nowadays bang on about mental health, and supporting diversity, all lip service, of course. But this is utterly despicable, I hope the company doesn't recover from this.

Social murder

[-] gustofwind@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

At this point the AIs would be more humane managers anyway

[-] arin@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Actually, saying please would get the ai to change their earlier response

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[-] plz1@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Man, I read this as the technology being blamed, vs. her being their employee. I hope her family gets justice for this, but companies seem to be immune from consequences, so we'll see...

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