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Greenland and Denmark unite against US advances before White House talks (www.theguardian.com)
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Greenland’s prime minister has said “we choose Denmark” before high-stakes talks at the White House as Donald Trump seeks to take control of the Arctic territory.

Amid rising tensions over the US president’s push, Jens-Frederik Nielsen on Tuesday told a joint press conference with his Danish counterpart, Mette Frederiksen, that the island would not be owned or governed by Washington.

“We are now facing a geopolitical crisis. If we have to choose between the US and Denmark here and now, we choose Denmark, Nato and the EU,” Nielsen said, adding that the island’s “goal and desire is peaceful dialogue, with a focus on cooperation”.Trump’s pursuit of the island was also a matter of “international law and our right to our own country”, he said.

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[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Calling it now. But, European politicians are so incredibly subservient to America. They will literally "give" Greenland to America before they dissolve NATO.

Or, America will just invade, and they'll basically treat it like it didn't happen. They'll condemn it on paper. Say things like "this really puts into question blah blah blah" but they'll literally take no material action against it. At best they have some meaningless vote in the UN about it that does nothing.

Europe is the equivalent of the Democratic party at this point. Just pointing at "bad thing" and going along with it entirely. All while trying to keep the "moral high ground".

You guys should be burning down your cities if America takes Greenland and Europe does nothing. Your politicians are cowards just like ours are. Don't expect them to do anything to resist.

[-] psivchaz@reddthat.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think that's called "appeasement." It's worked great throughout history.

[-] andallthat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I think the generally unspoken hope is that democracy in the US is not completely fucked and that the transition to full-on fascism can still be reverted after Trump's political or physical death (both of which seem ever so close).

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 1 week ago

Europe is the equivalent of the Democratic party at this point. Just pointing at “bad thing” and going along with it entirely. All while trying to keep the “moral high ground”.

You went too far here. Europe is weak (because it's divided, because EU was never meant to be "strong" and always relied on soft power, because it has to fight all the same enemies as US does) but it's definitely not on the same team as US. Like, not even close. So far EU is keeping the moral high ground for example by respecting it's citizens rights. Some member countries are worse then others but as a whole EU is still far away from becoming an autocratic hellhole the US is.

[-] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Chat control doesn't sound very much like respecting citizen's rights

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

So true.

It's scary, it's like all the major developed civilizations are saying

"Look we're all spying on each other because we're definitely planning on fighting so you best either get out of our way or shut up about it."

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 1 week ago

Which part of it? I read the legislation and I think it does respect citizen's rights. Which paragraphs do you find problematic?

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Perhaps the entire idea that the government can spy on all your communications?

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 1 week ago

You have to be talking about some different Chat Control because the one I read doesn't allow anything like that. At least I think it doesn't. Can you point me to the specific part that covers it? Maybe I missed it.

But seriously, I can see you read some scary headlines that have nothing to do with reality. Of course you're not going to read the legislation yourself and hearing it form some random guy on lemmy will not change your mind because you read it on some random blog so it has to be true but for anyone interested, the proposed law specifically says that “the regulation shall not prohibit, make impossible, weaken, circumvent or otherwise undermine cybersecurity measures, in particular encryption, including end-to-end encryption”.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

OK, first off, fuck you and your smug-ass tone.

It seems that last year the legislation was amended and it removed the requirement that providers scan all messages and added the part that you quoted at the end. But it would require age verification which is something else of which I am opposed to the very idea.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/after-years-controversy-eus-chat-control-nears-its-final-hurdle-what-know

[-] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh shit, does that mean Europeans will get shot in the face now too? You know, to control their chatting. Like in the USA, if you say "I'm not mad at you", you get shot in the face.

Yeah, chat control is not great, but is FAR FAR FAR from what's happening in the Fascist States of America.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

It didn't start with people getting shot in the face. Chat control is a big step in that direction.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

You all are fighting on who's riding the biggest turd boat into the sea and you're both making find points :)

The US is putting Nazi slogans on the government speech podiums and trying to annex countries that are too weak to put up a fight.

The EU is trying to remove private communication.

I think the US is a about 11:59 on the doomsday clock, the EU is about 10:45

We're both mostly fucked, the EU has more time to turn around, but that's not likely either.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You do realize that the US delegates so much of its arctic capabilities to the scandinavian countries in NATO that it would be a balanced fight at least in the beginning, right?

[-] kablez@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Given America's obvious advantages with the scale of its military resources, I thought that the fight would be easy too, but after thinking about it I'm not so sure. War is not simply a matter of having advanced weapons and lots of units.

Considering how retarded Trump's administration is and how demoralised the most professional and loyal military personnel are, combined with civil unrest domestically... I don't think Trump can execute a successful invasion of another country without losing everything. More competent administrations (barely more*) have started wars and it cost them dearly in the ballot box.

You can have the best jets and ships and missiles, but if the personnel operating them think you are a pedophile and a traitor, giving illegal orders through a compromised chain of command.. how effective do you think they will be in a theater of war?

Let's hope we never find out.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

How is that AT ALL relevant to what I said? Why are you discussing something that will literally never happen? The capitalist that own America also own Europe. That's why your politicians are such subservient losers just like ours are. They are owned by the same interests. They're just consolidating that ownership and making the lines clear. That's all the Greenland play is. It's to put your politicians in their place and ensuring they bend the knee to the fascist powers.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Or, America will just invade, and they’ll basically treat it like it didn’t happen.

Just don't talk like you have a crystal ball, you people with your pseudointellectual cynicism have been very wrong before, multiple times.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So you think that there would be actual armed resistance to American invasion of Greenland? Like, I want to be clear. You're that dumb?

I'm sorry. I write my comments for people with some form of intelligence. When I said "America just invades" I wrote that with the assumption that my reader had at least a minimal understanding of geopolitics. That this would just be literal a symbolic lowering and raising of the flag. Because no one is gonna die for Greenland mate.

Are you? Are you gonna volunteer? Go ask any European that same question. Ask them if they want to go defend Greenland and die for it.

I didn't think there would actually be someone dumb enough to think there would be any meaningful form of armed conflict.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Good. I mean, there is legitimate criticism of how Denmark has been treating Greenland, but this is way more important right now.

[-] Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

According to PM Ulf Kristersson, Sweden is sending personnel from the Armed Forces to Greenland "at Denmark's request"

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Both Norway and Germany have pledged to send troops too

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

France as well, they are taking part of a "cold-weather exercise"

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It looks so dumb playing coy when the whole world knows what's up.

But whatever. At least they're vaguely standing together against the most blatant imperialism - now that European land is immediately threatened.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It looks so dumb playing coy when the whole world knows what's up.

It's really bizarre and stupid, and yet it might be one of the best tools for peace in the long run.

Both sides can pretend to ante up, can pretend to posture, can pretend to threaten, under the guise of heated talks and "training exercises"...and then can still have the chance to back down without losing face before any live-fire happens because nobody actually declared what was happening, was happening.

At least I hope this is kinda the case. Either way, it's infinitely more stupid than simply not picking fights with random territories. But what would I know?

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Any US soldiers actually dumb or corrupt enough to follow orders to invade a NATO ally are illegal war criminals and should be shot on sight

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Any commanding officers who would comply and issue such orders should suffer whatever archaic military field punishments exist for outright treason.

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