Not too sure about the last sentence as it took my dumb fucking ass until the latest genocide in Gaza but I get the sentiment
I feel like you can stratify leftists like rock layers by the point at which they stopped winning the "fell for it again" award
The first time I was never fooled at any point, I'm deeply embarrassed to say, was Ukraine
Arab Spring for me, though I wasn't fooled by Iraq.
It's not until you've seen good communists, friends and comrades, with strong critiques of the system they're under get fed into the grist of colour revolution for nothing. For worse than nothing. That you begin to understand.
I was 19 and I believed George W Bush when he came on TV and told Americans about WMD.
I think the blinders quickly fell from my eyes... That administration radicalized me
As for Ukraine... I didn't know enough about that country and its political history or culture to have a strong opinion about it, although I recall thinking that it was a very Iraq-like move by Putin. It still doesn't look like it was the smartest move, but 🤷 I just want to see western Ukraine ceded to Russia already so that people can stop dying for abstractions
there's a john mearschimer presentation from before the invasion that goes over a lot of it. i think it's on the university of chicago youtube page.
the other part of it is the coup/color revolution in 2014 and apparently nobody killed enough nazi collaborators back in the day.
Ah yes, I remember that stuff got really nuts there in 2014 (and 2011?). They should have let the country split then
Hey don't worry, I fell for that one initially. Took until Oct 7 until I really started seeing through it all if you will.
Ukraine is kinda close-by geographically, and geopolitically we "share the enemy" because we had ties with the nazis during WWII, and the Soviets invaded in ’39 to secure St. Petersburg (then known as Leningrad) from a joint Axis attack from the north along the Karelian isthmus.
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Of course people don't care to remember that we did eventually invade back into Soviet territory (further than previous borders) during Operation Barbarossa, which included a joint attack and eventual siege of Leningrad (I've heard tell that it was our own marshall Mannerheim who decided that bombing the ice road across lake Ladoga and thus condemning the people there to starvation was a reasonable thing to do, but then again we also had concentration camps back then far the Karelians so I guess they just actually were really fucking racist)
But even the fact that the chairman or whatever of my country's most popular far-right political party went to address the Ukraine parliament, speaking himself Ukrainian for some reason, didn't straight away make me question the narrative.
Someone should make this a meme. Like count and add a point for how many you lived through and didn't fall for.
Give it a couple more years and you'll be just as smug as the rest of us.
(Joking, try not too get too irony poisoned on your way in)
Some of this is a failure of understanding when people started having any level of political engagement at all, because for some people it was pretty recent and that will always be the case into the future.
I swear bro, just one more military intervention for “humanitarian” reasons bro, I swear it won’t plunge the country into chaos, civil war, and empower far-right paramilitaries this time bro.
we swear it'll work this time in the and country we've attempted in multiple times
Afghanistan staring into the void right next to Iran:
They're killing their people so we must go and kill more!
0/10 they really just stopped trying, didn't they?
Yeah they’re barely even trying anymore and it feels like so few people give a shit about anything so it doesn’t even matter
So that's it then? I just throw up my hands, give up on people and say this is the best we're capable of?
It would make my life a lot more easy. I can just say history is already written, nothing I do matters anyways, start believing in my own race theory where certain people are more capable than others, who knows why? Only got one life, might as well enjoy it. 
To the beat from meet the grahams
Americans have no critical thinking skills lmao.
“Fox Nooz and 4chan sed it, we must do it! The popular opinion channel would never lie to us!”
I don’t think I am grasping the Ukraine point yet. Aren’t there nazis in Russia too? Doesn’t the entire world have a nazi problem? Fuck Nazis. Aren’t there a lot of people in Ukraine who also hate Nazis and now are being killed “for being a nazi”?
Nazis in Ukraine as in a whole paramilitary force comiuting massaxres and being trained and funded by the government
Could the same be said about the Wagner group on the Russia side? I think funding a nazi group is abhorrent.
I think I remember hearing about the Ukraine group and I think that’s a total misstep on their part entirely.
wagner is not nazi lmfao
You are laughing at me but I am genuinely asking questions since that’s all I know.
I’ve been trying to look into things and everything I’ve been reading says that the founder of the Wagner group was a Nazi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin
I would imagine if the founder of a group is a neo nazi then the group itself is quite Nazi-esque unless you have differing sources I would love to see.
whatabout this one guy?
Tell me, how is mr utkin doing today?
Well it seems like he is dead yes. I don’t quite see how that is relevant though?
Damn, he was just a kid. Wow airplane crash. Natural causes so to say. An act of god. Accident.
Say, I have heard it suggested that the notorious Bad Man, vladolf putler sometimes kills his enemies and frames the murders as accidents. Do you think he might have had something to do with mr utkins untimely death?
I don’t know? You are memeing at me but I don’t know? I haven’t seen anything about his death other than it was an accident and that Putin denied anything. Do you have something saying otherwise?
I still don’t see the relevance though. Could a group founded by a Nazi have Nazi ideology in it?
I don't know buddy, but I sure heard from many natoids that putler killed prigozhin (and utkin). Seems like putin kills nazis. Well to be fair, zelenskyiv kills a lot of nazis too. But there is a nuance.
Speaking of pringles, do you really think that wagner is a nazi group when their ceo was a jew? Don't be ridiculous. You sound like ruzzian bot.
I don’t think our conversation is productive. I appreciate your response but I can’t cut through the memes. I really don’t know what you are trying to say. Enjoy your day.
yeah, as far as i know (which might not be much) Wagner is a pretty indefensible group of far-right mercs who just so happened to be killing people in Ukraine and supported by NATO (many of whom are also nazis)
That’s what I heard so I was trying to verify that. It just seems hypocritical from the “denazification” perspective which is why I brought it up. Also thanks for talking to me and not just memeing at me.
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