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submitted 1 week ago by kiol@discuss.online to c/linux@lemmy.world

cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/34255100

Thought I'd create a distinct thread from the previous one asking about daily use, because I really do want to hear more on people's pain points. Great to know people are generally sounding pretty positive in those posts who recently switched, but want to know your difficulties as well! This way old and new users can share their thoughts, hopefully to inspire a respectful discussion.

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[-] cmeu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

For me it's that 'can make it work' != 'want to spend hours researching to make it work'

If you have a well supported use case Linux is great, if you need to do some things that rely on proprietary drivers, old software, etc it's a pain

I like the ux in some common windows utilities a lot more than I like their Linux alternatives. I prefer nano zip over the default app that came with my distro.

Default video settings caused going to console to be use a comically oversized font for my large monitor. I remembered how to change fonts sort of, but couldn't for the life of me remember how to change the resolution. Internet searches had results of mixed quality. Pretty difficult to distinguish instructions for the old boot loader versus the current one. Set the res finally, but it didn't work. One of the commands I tried did seem to work, but then it caused the advanced graphics to disappear and video transcode suffered. Finally I found the answer I should have used all along: sudo dpkg reconfigure (some package I can't remember now)

And everything is like that. You want to do something, you better get educated. It's great for hobbyists, but I find as I get older I just want it to look right and do the thing, so I choose windows from the grub menu and forget I even have it for weeks.

It's great when everything is supported and works and you like the application and you'd spent sixteen hours theming your desktop and and and .. but ain't nobody got time fo dat

[-] deepfriedchril@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Basically no support for CAD software. I started out on FreeCAD back in 2016 then switched to Fusion360 a few years later. I gave FreeCAD another go a little after it hit 1.0 but it still feels so clunky in comparison.

Even though I share most of my designs, I'm not interested in the free version of OnShape where there isn't a choice in the matter.

I'm no professional so I could probably make due with FreeCAD but I'll be keeping my dual boot since I have the option.

[-] apftwb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

And 2D CAD! Just make an AutoCAD clone!

[-] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

FreeCAD is straight up awful. I'm with ya 100%

Waiting for someone to develop a blender addon for a cad mode

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[-] Libb@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

On my phone. I would love to be able to run a Linux system or at least a de-googled android. But some apps I need access to don't seem to be working without Google services and stuff like that si I'm stuck using a stock Google (Pixel) android.

Beside that, everything is and has been working smoothly on my computers since I switched from Apple to Linux Mint, 5 or 6 years ago. My only regret is to not have switched way earlier.

I do miss Spotlight. All the alternatives I have tested fall short one way or the other but giving up on Spotlight is not that bad of a deal considering all what Free Software, GNU and Linux have offered me in exchange. I would not want to switch back.

[-] bisby@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It is interesting to me that at this point, because of Waydroid, the primary things keeping me from using a Linux phone are the same things keeping me from de-googling more of my current phone. When running LineageOS in the past, I couldn't reliably use RCS. Plenty of apps have issues with google's Play Integrity shenanigans.

Once I hit a point where Im ok with running a degoogled android, I'm basically ready for just going straight to Linux on phone.

[-] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Have you tried GrapheneOS (since you have a Pixel)? I put it on mine, and it works great. It treats Google services as just another app, so you can control what it has access to while also putting it into a sandbox. Plus, with the user profiles, I have further segregated Google away from my data. I have a profile solely dedicated to apps that require Google services, and so far, I've had only minor issues (which may just be how I'm setting my security, so it could just be a me issue).

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[-] Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

As much as if saddens me to write it: the enterprise bullshit.

I'm not allowed to use Linux at work because it's more complicated than the out of the box experience of MacOS and windows in terms of remote management, encryption enforcement, company certificates and all this useless bullshit.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

yeah corporate environments continue to be a pain point. IT wants centralised management a la intune/GPE, i want to be able to use proper terminal tools for automation.

last time it came to a head i moved into a vm and refused to come out for two years.

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[-] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago

I can’t get the Windows based firmware updaters for my motorcycle helmet Bluetooth headset and joystick fully running under Wine/Lutris/Whatever. They both use USB and just will not connect.

Also, once a quarter I have to use an archaic Excel sheet that is heavily dependent on some VB Script. This file absolutely will not open correctly in anything other than a locally installed version of Excel because the script needs a real local printer and Open/Libre/Whatever cannot handle the insanity of the VB Script. I have a Windows VM just for this one thing.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Debian in its GUI (at least KDE, which I'm using at the moment) demanding the root password to install the updates it's blinking at me about in the tray all the time. In this context, demanding a password at all is rather silly (Windows doesn't require your password to install updates in a single user environment, and it doesn't even pop up a UAC prompt) and this is going to be yet another one of those things that prior Windows users will moan about, declaring that "Linux is complicated and hard" and drive them back to the comfort of the devil they know when they feel like their own computer is actively trying to stymie them at seemingly every turn.

My user account is a sudoer so there is absolutely no technical reason my own password shouldn't work. And, in fact, if I run updates via apt in a terminal it does. But allowing updates to install from the desktop environment, something ostensibly ought to be a routine userspace kind of operation, requires everyone using the system who might want to do this to know the system-wide root password. This is a monumentally stupid idea.

I am well aware there are myriad ways around this but they all involve hand-editing config files and come with stern warnings about "this may break your system so proceed 'carefully,'" as if anyone who is not already an experienced Linux nerd will know just what the hell "proceeding carefully" is supposed to look like.

The inevitable XKCD comic succinctly sums this up:

The UNIX permissions and administration model may have made great sense on glass teletypes in the '70s and when nobody knew any better, but it's certainly long outmoded now. It's going to make a lot of people very angry to read this, but that's actually one of the few things that Windows does much better, at least starting from NT onwards.

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[-] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

When the update process feel so perilous that I pray every time that my system reboots to the desktop safely, because the pain of troubleshooting the issue for 4 or more hours still haunts me (Nobara linux).

And I'm not new to linux, but because it works as expected 95% of the time, that 5% where it doesn't work stands out so much more.

I recently experienced a failed update on my laptop running arch, where the laptop lost power for some unknown reason, and bricked my system. I was so tired of this shit that I just downloaded cachy OS and wiped the disk, installed the OS and called it a day.

I know not everything is the fault of linux, but man . . . . There's too many small problems to count . . . The fragmentation of application UI frameworks, GNOME this, QT that, GTK there, wlroots here, wxWidgets over there . . . . KWin randomly crashing, scripts that should just be a part of the WM instead of breaking with every update, lack of standardization of UI menu structures, wayland being great but still not good enough for production environments, THE UTTER LACK OF VIRTUAL INSTRUMENTS FOR AUDIO PRODUCTION ON LINUX, WHYYYYYYYYYYYY

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Bluetooth.

Its always been an issue and it remains an issue.

[-] mohab@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

I had issues with Bluetooth on Windows. Been having none since I switched to Debian + KDE.

I had a ton of issues on Arch/Artix, but Debian + KDE works as expected OOTB in terms of functionality and UI.

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[-] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah BT audio quality is not reliably good on devices that work smoothly on OS X.

I know there can be good setups, but it needs to consistently work in shared spaces, which is where i mostly use BT speakers.

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[-] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Power management could still be a lot better for Intel laptops (though admittedly over the past decade it's come a VERY long way). On my Chromebook running Ubuntu the powersave governor noticably stutters as it decides whether to boost the clocks, but all the other governors significantly hurt battery life. Somehow Windows managed to solve this battery problem with all its bloat, and Chromeos also has while also ultimately running Linux under the hood. Laptops could really benefit from the same level of driver maturity as desktop platforms.

I'd also point out touchpad gesture support as a secondary point which is lacking. I love that pixel perfect scrolling and gestures are integrated into many desktop environments now, but they lack configuration for sensitivity and in some cases leave it to the applications themselves to control. Scrolling in Chrome is way too fast and Firefox way too slow for my trackpad, but unlike the cursor speed/acceleration, there is no setting to adjust the sensitivity of pixel perfect scrolling in supported applications.

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Printing.

Windows drivers are so fancy, with previews and a billion options, while Linux gets a randomly ordered list of raw options in a drop-down menu and that's it

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Exhibit A:

The same, but in Windows:

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[-] SnachBarr@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Unattended remote access under Wayland. I have multiple computers some headless and some with displays and I often like to remote into those from my other machines on my lan. With Xorg I used VNC. But with Wayland I have yet to find a reliable way to remote control a Wayland session without also sitting in front of the machine I’m trying to remote into.

[-] Thrawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Can't get an auto shutdown at a specific time working on Bazzite.

I have a few 5th and 6th Gen Intel laptops and mini PCs for my kids with games. Working well enough for the most part and PAM account login time limits what times if the day they can sign in but I want it to auto logout or even better force shut down at the end of the day instead of them staying up all night.

Most guides recommend using cron which is fine in general but it isn't available in Bazzite. Even when I tried installing it since it isn't included by default. Tried two different guides and an AI recommendation to do it via Systemd but that isn't working as mentioned at the top.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

What problems are you having with cron? I've been annoyed with cron many times over the years. I suppose you could just run

sudo shutdown -h 20:00 &

in a terminal to schedule a shutdown at 8pm. Or maybe edit your sudo file to allow user to run shutdown without a password and throw it in a user startup file.

[-] Thrawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Cron just doesn't exist for Bazzite. I'm sure there technically is a way to add it back but not practical.

Hadn't thought about a user startup file. Not exactly a clean solution but shrug if it works I can live with it. I'll add it to my list of ideas to try.

[-] dellish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

This has been driving me nuts and if anyone can shed any light on it I will be eternally grateful.

I am trying to install SketchUp Pro 2021. According to WineHQ it has a gold rating and two testers claim to have installed it without issue, but following their instructions doesn't help.

I am running the latest Mint with Wine 11.0. I've created a 64bit prefix running as Windows 8.1, installed .NET 4.8, had to manually install vcrun2017 because something has changed and the checksum fails in Winetricks. I try to install SketchUp and get Invalid Handle errors mainly to do with a KB2999286 check (Universal C Runtime update).

So I download the KB2999286 msu and tell Winetricks to run it, but it says there's no associated program. Maybe I need the Windows Update API? So I download that, which actually appears to be WinXP SP3 and fails to install. I'm just about ready to give up on this whole experiment. Is there something I'm clearly missing? Is the C Runtime Update hidden in a component I haven't installed?

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[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Bluetooth is very buggy, but it's not too much of a deal breaker.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Just submitted a bug report to KDE for Discover where apt update failed behind the scenes due to Synaptics changing some value in their repo. It just needed a confirmation [y/n] to continue, figured someone would want to do it.

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

Energy management is the part that still complicates things most for me. Rfkill not being managed correctly. Machines that suspend but don't hibernate, or that hibernate but don't suspend. Laptops that de-suspend during transport. Batteries that overdrain during suspend. Bluetooth. And most annoying of all, NVidia (insert Torvalds iconic scene).

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I miss a task manager-like shortcut to come out to the desktop and easily kill processes freezing the PC.

[-] Hubi@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

At least KDE has a shortcut in the Window Management settings that kills any window you want with a single click. You just press the key combination (Meta+Ctrl+Esc by default) and your cursor turns into a skull. Then just left click the frozen window and it closes instantly. Never had it fail, you can even kill your Desktop if you miss lol

[-] mech@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

TIL Thanks!!!

[-] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

FYI, on other DE's you can just bind xkill to whatever shorcut you want. I tried it recently and it works just fine on Wayland.

[-] msage@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

You can always come out of everything to a separate terminal, not sure how many users actually know that.

It's not always helpful or even very friendly, but it can save butts.

Ctrl + Alt + F1 or ...F6, sometimes even up to F8. Usually desktop is at F2. Sometimes it's not. But you can check them any time.

[-] Durandal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

IDK what desktop environment you're using... or your specific scenario... but most DE should have something like that. KDE and Gnome have a version of "system monitor" which will work very much like task manager on windows.

https://apps.kde.org/plasma-systemmonitor/

https://apps.gnome.org/SystemMonitor/

Generally there are preinstalled and already assigned a hotkey.

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[-] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 1 week ago

A few select games, Notably Watch Dogs 2 and Fallout: New Vegas, probably because of Proton bugs, occasionally freeze my (Debian+i3wm) desktop. My computer is not frozen, but my desktop session is. I can take my smartphone and SSH into my desktop to kill the game's process (or Steam, which will take the game with it when it dies).

I've come to enjoy this process because I feel like some kinda movie hacker.

[-] Baggie@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How much ram you hauling? I've had similar issues when voices of the void sprung a memory leak in an earlier build, completely froze my desktop until I nuked it.

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[-] kiol@discuss.online 1 points 1 week ago

Totally. I've keybound xkill or similar to recreate that experience.

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Correct me if I am wrong, if I switch away from a fullscreen application, I won't have it available to be terminated using xkill, right?

[-] kiol@discuss.online 2 points 1 week ago

In that case you would switch back.... my thought is to add xkill or similar to a keybinding so it can be called without switching away from the thing.

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[-] fenrasulfr@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

My biggest problem with Linux is security. I want a relatively idiot proof setup like in Microsoft and Apple products. I do not to have to minutely setup the firewall or have to go into the terminal to run a virus scan.

Other than that I am not too demanding of my system I nearly never have a problem although recently the game A Hat in Time makes my pc kernal panic.

[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

This might be of interest for you on the antivirus part:

https://lemmy.world/post/41810542

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