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[-] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Shoddy article buries the lede: Epic isn't suing Valve. UK residents are. Epic is just rooting for them because Epic makes a product (Epic Game Store) that competes with a product by Valve (Steam). Epic is not behind the lawsuit. They are just cheering for their competitor to be taken down a peg.

Literally nothing whatsoever stops Epic from releasing their Epic Game Store app on Windows, macOS, Linux, and Android as these are open platforms that allow anybody to release an app (or app store) and offer it to their customers. However, Epic Game Store only actually exists on Windows, and it's on iOS in the EU. Everywhere else, they're keeping it from consumers out of pure spite in order to leverage the courts in their favour.

All of this started because Epic chose to defy Apple and the rules they agreed to in order to get Fortnite onto the iPhone's App Store, in that they could not use an alternative payment provider to sell "V-bucks," the in-game currency Fortnite uses. V-bucks cost Epic nothing to make as a virtual currency. Fortnite itself has expenses, but Fortnite is also a tech demo for the Unreal Engine. It exists, on a business level, to sell the capabilities of Epic's in-house physics engine, the Unreal Engine. A bit hypocritically, Epic takes a cut of games sold that use the Unreal Engine. It is not free. Fortnite players use the V-bucks to buy skins and other cosmetic experiences in the game. And Epic, tired of giving Apple a 30% cut of something that costs them nothing to produce, thereby giving each company 100% profit, added an option to pay Epic directly, either less money to get the same amount of V-bucks, or the same amount of money to get more V-bucks (I don't recall and it's not what matters). Apple suspended the Fortnite game until Epic fixed it. Epic refused to, so the app was de-listed, and the developer account was banned.

Epic then pulled out of the Mac ecosystem as well, which had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Macs do have an App Store that looks like the one on iPhone, but just like the Windows Store in Windows, it's not required to install apps on a Mac. Most Mac users get their apps from the web, same as Windows users do. Like the Windows Store, the Mac App Store is just a convenience (both of them handle updates very well, for example). Not offering Fortnite and/or the Epic Game Store on the Mac has always been a choice Epic made, not any limitation imposed by Apple.

Epic is not just Fortnite, though. They made the Gears of War games for Xbox back in the day. Fortnite itself is actually a mashup of several games. The original Fortnite was a paid survival crafting game. I'm not sure it exists anymore, or if the freemium multiplayer Fortnite swallowed it up entirely. Like in Fortnite's main mode, you could build, but you could build freely (safely) during the day, and mobs would attack at night. Fortnite also contains elements of Unreal Tournament, Epic's prior multiplayer online shooter that last received a release in 2004; Rockband, the music game developed by Harmonix (which also created Guitar Hero), which is now called Fortnite Festival), and other acquisitions. Epic also made Unreal, a single-player game that Unreal Tournament was based on. They likely released a few other games I can't recall. But since Unreal and Unreal Tournament, they've also licensed the Unreal Engine to other developers, and it's been used in numerous games, including the original Deus Ex.

[-] ryper@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

However, Epic Game Store only actually exists on Windows, and it’s on iOS in the EU.

Your information seems to be outdated. On the EGS download page I get an "Install on Windows" link with text below it "Also available on Mac OS, Android, iPhone (EU only) and iPad (EU only)."

[-] neclimdul@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I think that was not the case during their recent lawsuit with Apple. So relatively recently that changed and was limited for a "good" reason.

No Linux support though so whatever. Useless to me.

[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

Tim.. suing everyone else wont make epic store a great place to buy games

Look to GOG for inspiration…

[-] Tuscy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

He’s just salty because the only games people “purchase” are the weekly free ones.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I don't even bother with those anymore. I never play the free ones I have, because I'd have to use Epic's software.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago

He's still right in this instance.

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[-] Hazzard@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well... duh. The guy runs a competing storefront who's only claims to fame are:

  1. Spending a bunch of money for timed exclusivity and free giveaways, rather than building out core features.
  2. They give devs a better cut than Steam to claim moral high ground.

... that's it, that's all the reasons to use Epic, unless you want to play Fortnite or participate in an Early Access period where they chose Epic to reduce the overwhelming amount of feedback like Hades.

[-] DizzyMoth@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

The only interesting argument I heard about this demand was that when you buy game you are tie to respective store, and you cannot buy content like dlc outside that store. I wpukd be amazing for the customers if thus wasn't the case

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 week ago

Has epic games developed anything like Proton? Valve isn't just a store.

[-] IntrusiveThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

What do you mean? Isn't Kratos dancing orange justice innovative enough?

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[-] danekrae@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I didn't know epic games developed that.

[-] gens@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I never said epic made wine.

Wine is like 99% of proton. Historically it was mostly sposored by Collabora and I think they were doing it so they clould run some windows programs on mac (my memory is fuzzy, was a long time ago).

Valve came later. There were already out-of-tree patches speciffically for games. The wine team didn't put those in because they are hacks while wines aim is 100% compatibility with windows.

As those patches grew, stuff like wine-staging emerged that would massage those patches into what the wine project would accept. And even later proton was born (i think from some guys repo, i think valve hired him).

If you want to attribute something to valve, then ACO is a better option. It's amazing.

I'm just a bit annoyed that nobody praises wine while everybody speaks like it was all valve.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I never said epic made wine

You implied it by responding with "Wine?" to the question "Has epic developed anything similar to proton?" 🤦‍♂️

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[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

They developed the Unreal engine. Not sure how “like Proton” you meant, but it’s used by lots of games and is quite a complex and well-regarded 3D engine.

[-] DireTech@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Epic makes tons of money off licensing Unreal to developers and have since before their store was a thing.

Proton makes direct zero profit, though it does make Steam the best store for anyone on Linux.

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[-] tharien@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The only reason I had an epic account was for their free giveaway. And now that I’ve switched to bazzite, and considering their poor Linux support, I’m inclined to just cut bait on them.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Reminder: Epic CEO Tim Sweeney has defended child pornography, saying that stopping it is "gatekeeping".

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 points 1 week ago

is that Valve's policies and position as the leading distribution service in PC gaming means publishers are effectively blocked from selling games and add-ons at lower prices on competing stores

I still don't get this. As far as I can find, Steam doesn't allow steam keys to be sold cheaper elsewhere, but they don't bother with prices of games in other stores.

And doesn't Epic have a bunch of games exclusive to their store?

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I still don't get this. As far as I can find, Steam doesn't allow steam keys to be sold cheaper elsewhere, but they don't bother with prices of games in other stores.

This is tricky. Officially Valve doesn't have any rules about non-Steam game prices on other stores. Unofficially evidence has been put forward by way of emails between developers and Valve that seem to show that Valve unofficially requires price parity with other stores and will punish games that offer lower prices elsewhere.

The charitable interpretation is that their policies are worded confusingly and some of their agents are misinterpreting the rule requiring Steam key prices to be uniform as applying to non-Steam keys. The uncharitable interpretation is that Valve knows such a policy would get them in hot water with anti-monopoly laws and so they're careful to make sure it stays an unofficial policy.

[-] goatinspace@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Is that the Epic that agreed to six-year $800 million partnership with Google recently?

DRM free, launcher free games or fuck off.

[-] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This. Plus offline games. All the online micro transaction bullshit is pathetic.

[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

although I like a lot of what Valve does (I have a lot of Steam games, valve games, have a steam deck oled, use steamvr, etc) they are a fairly flawed company. sweeney is so great at shooting himself in the foot though that any opinion he has people will by default believe the opposite of (and probably should)

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

Gamers hear that Valve has been overcharging them for years, and think Epic is the villain.

Everyone's collective dick slobbering of Valve and billionaire Gabe is embarassing as fuck.

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