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[-] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 2 months ago

Ah yes voter intimidation, something that only happens in healthy stable democracies of course

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Last time I voted cops were talking to a guy in a red hat outside, but everyone was chill and they were laughing and joking so I didn't pay attention.

Everyone inside, totally on edge.

I found out later that guy had taken his shirt off and yelled at poll workers which was especially problematic because he had a loaded gun tucked into his pants. No holster and I'm not even sure he had a belt.

He might be there next time too, just in uniform.

I don't give a fuck, because I know what happened in the South when people caved to that kind of voter intimidation. I'm casting a ballet even if there's bullets actively being fired at the polling location.

All this shit does is make voting more important, that's how we need to frame it.

[-] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Im considering finding a local polling location where I can stand watch and gather other like minded people so there are more of us than them there. They will be the intimidated, they are the minority.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Great spirit, terrible idea.

You won't make anyone feel more comfortable, you'll just make things crowded and chaotic.

The only reason anyone should be at a polling location is casting a vote.

You want to group up somewhere and show support, do it a block away within eyesight. Have signs and shit about how voting matters now more than ever.

Chances are ICE will come fuck with you anyways, which is still a win because then they're not at the polling station either.

[-] keckbug@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Hi, poll worker here and this is absolutely accurate. If you stand in or near our polling place we will absolutely have you removed.

However… observing polls is a core part of a functional democracy and I strongly encourage you to do so. Each county is a bit different, but essentially every single one of them have some sort of process that you can register as an observer and you’ll be legally protected while observing and documenting what you see. If you’re affiliated with a political party, contact your local officials and they can help facilitate, as most observers are party affiliated.

[-] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Excellent. Thank you. This is what we need to know. We just need to have sufficient numbers of people doing legal observation at the right places.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Can you explain to me the logic of using voting as a tactic at this point? I'm very confused by the "I'll vote no matter what" that runs counter to the fact that we literally will have a fascist military force that will be involved in the voting process.

Do you think we live in a world that has SS troops door knocking BUT we also will somehow have a fair election as long as we are "brave enough"? Like, I'm genuinely asking. Do you think we can vote fascist out of power?

They'll guard the polls. They'll redistrict maps. They'll murder people in the street and say it was "self defense". They'll kidnap children. But, if we just vote them out they'll go "aw shucks, I guess we gotta pack it up".

I genuinely want to know if people think we're still at a point that we can just turn this around with voting. Am I out of touch? Like, I'm not trying to be a Doomer. There are other ways to fight them. I'm not saying to not vote if you're safe to do so. But if you're gonna dodge bullets to go vote. I really want to know if you really think that that will actually make fascist give up their power.

They spent over a month not swearing in an elected official to stop a vote on the Epstein files. What do you think they'll do if they lose too many seats? Genuinely. Am I crazy? Or am I actually paying attention?

[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 points 2 months ago

You're not crazy. I think most people are firmly still in denial. Nobody wants to acknowledge the ugly truth of the alternative, and the necessary sacrifices involved.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Honestly, thank you. I keep seeing people pointing at things and just following up with literally pointing back at the system that has been destroyed as the solution. I guess it is denial. But often times it's hostile denial. Like, I'm the problem for saying we need to work outside of the system that has been destroyed. Or worse, that I caused it somehow by wanting to fight against it.

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[-] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Multiple fronts required. No one action will be the solution.

  • Vote to establish legitimacy.
  • Protest to register dissent.
  • Civic pressure to demonstrate conviction and organization.
  • Fringe 'performative' resistance to sow sone unrest and uncertainty and maybe inspire.
  • Some violence for fear, mostly aimed at inanimates.
  • In the street security details, like minneapolis.

And most importantly, daily microresistance and malicious compliance, sabotage, redirection, and education.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Agree completely. I am just shocked at the amount of people that stop after your first bullet point.

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[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago

Then we'll surround ICE. Fuck em

[-] baller_w@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 months ago

Right. Show up and do the needful.

I’ve seen armed “guards” and my polling station before and it’s unsettling to say the least.

Say no words. Just vote.

[-] randompasta@lemmy.today 15 points 2 months ago

Fucking nazis.

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 months ago

I know that the Black Panthers have a history of protecting polls while armed, but perhaps it's time we allow people of all colors to be armed and protecting the polls.

There's a lot more of us than there are of ICE.

[-] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Someone pointed out in another thread that schools and govt buildings where polling stations are already dont permit guns. But if ther are 50 of us there, the 10 of them they can muster will run like the cowards they are.

[-] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You know, for somebody so friendly with Epstein, Bannon sure does seem to be not in jail for some fucking reason?

[-] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Well, he was pardoned by Trump.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Only for defrauding trump supporters.

[-] formergijoe@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Steve Bannon, the Epstein PR guy?

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Might have bring out my rosebud

[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 months ago

Trump wants ICE to THREATEN NON REPUBLICAN VOTERS WITH GUNS? Wow! They probably need a LOT of Funding for That! Let's give it to Them!

-Democrats Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries!

[-] madjo@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

Spineless Israel lover Chuck Schumer and his lackie Hakeem Jeffries.

[-] kboos1@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

So if ICE is protecting the polls from voter fraud and a Republican gets replaced with a Democrat then wouldn't that be proof that the election was fair?

Like proving himself wrong.

[-] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

That's not how he works. This is how it works: He says words = TRUE.

Bear in mind he doesn’t have talent, or skill, or knowledge, or training, or experience. It’s just money. Dirty old money.

All you need to screw over the WORLD is money.

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

GET YOUR FUCKING GUNS, Y’ALL

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago
[-] n4ch1sm0@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

Truly the most accurate comparison to ICE on paper. Schutzstaffel (SS) is the one everyone knows about and for practical reasons in the public eye, it's a good analogy, but it'd be beneficial for people be aware of Sturmabteilung (SA), because the SS were far worse following the Nazi party's truly solidifying grip on power. History really does rhyme.

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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm calling it: they're going to have Palantir set them up with a database of likely Democrat voters paired with facial recognition and detain everyone who is a positive match on their way to the polls until the polling station closes.

And then they'll have the mail-in votes thrown out.

[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 points 2 months ago

I doubt facial recognition technology works well enough for that to be feasible, I think facial recognition technology using just cameras, esp. without high quality photos, is a bit like the polygraph/lie detector, it can give you some bullshit grounds to subject people to additional scrutiny basically on a whim, but has little practical application

[-] wavebeam@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Isn’t this exactly what ICE is doing today, all the time though? https://www.404media.co/ice-is-using-a-new-facial-recognition-app-to-identify-people-leaked-emails-show/ Maybe it’s not accurate but does it matter if they succeed in delaying or intimidating votes?

[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago

They're trying to use it but I don't think the technology itself is reliable. It could be reliable with LIDAR but I think photos alone are not enough, especially from blurry/low res images.

I think it's mostly a scare tactic to dissuade dissent.

[-] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

That's the problem. They'll round up whomever.

[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They'll round up whoever they like and use facial recognition as justification. My point is I don't think they can use facial recognition in a way that wouldn't also get false positives (i.e. without preventing MAGA votes). I think it's way more likely that ICE will just be used as voter intimidation in blue states.

[-] foodandart@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

Oh look, little Stevie is yelling for attention again..

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[-] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

They say it is to make sure that "illegals" didn't vote.

In reality the real goal of ICE is to be gestapo. Undocumented immigrants are just being used as excuse.

[-] RePsyche@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I used to think going to The Polls, on The Day was cool. Citizens participating in Democracy. Awesome. I’ve rethought a lot of things, changed my life in significant ways. Regarding voting, I have not changed, I will always vote in every election, as I have since I turned 18. The difference, is I get an early ballot, I sit in front of the computer and read up on the bond issues, candidates, other matters, and take my time to understand how I need to vote. Then I fill out my ballot, put it in one envelope, and the second one. And I go. Usually by bicycle, directly to the county office, at a time of my own convenience, and put my ballot in the special drop box that is there specifically for this purpose. It’s easier in some ways. And I miss those random moments running into a neighbor at the polls.

[-] madjo@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

It's in the ICE agents best interest too, otherwise they'd have to pay back their signing bonus.

[-] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago
[-] BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

There are only 20,000 ICE agents. That's a typical NHL arena. That really isn't a lot of people.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
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