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[-] Pajonk@szmer.info 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Main difference between USA, Europe, and east countries like Russia, china is that there are massive protesters, media coverage, and understanding that government is not the same as society.

How many massive protest there are in the Russian imperialism and attack on Ukraine? There were some at the beginning but people were arrested, and Russia is well known for killing journalists and opposition.

Of course USA imperialism is very bad, there is no such thing like good authoritarian power, but we know about it thanks to western media and activists. That's why we need independent media and journalism. That's why we need about how USA, China an many others are exploring Africa, and so on.

[-] dogbert@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The people of Russia dont have nearly as much reason to protest as Americans. They’ve gone to war like one time while America has destabilized at least 50 countries in the same timespan, they don’t have a fascist law enforcement currently terrorizing their population, and they don’t have an Epstein scandal.

War is bad, but if all America did was fight 1 war in a matter of decades you wouldn’t see any protest whatsoever in America.

That's why we need independent media and journalism.

All that does is maintain the status quo. America gets to bomb and murder abroad while talking heads at home wag their fingers in disapproval, all while you sit there convinced you live in a democracy.

[-] Pajonk@szmer.info -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Of course that Russian people have way more reasons to protest. Before Russian invasion in Ukraine a lot of Russian workers and students move to Poland and Europe searching for better live. That's why I know quite a lot of people from the east. I'm from Poland.

Quality of life is shit, few years ago Putin legalized domestic violence, police is corrupted and invigilation is sky high. All the statistics regarding quality of life, perspectives, money are shit. Either you're living in one of few big cities, or you are very poor without running (around 20% of all households don't have it) water and real roads. And this is going on country with huge natural resources. Oligarchs takes all the money.

Just because usa is better in imperialism than Russia that is terrorizing people of Belarus to stay with Russia, and the Chechens, this doesn't mean that Russia is any better.

And as far as facts goes, Russia is the country that it's authoritarian right wing regime is known for killing opposition and independent journalists. USA and mangas are slowly going towards the same but they are way behind.

America gets to bomb and murder

No one said that, please stop with the manipulations and straw man arguments.

there convinced you live in a democracy.

Everyone knows that county controlled by oligarchs it's not democracy, Russian people knows it better than ani other, i wish for Russians to again start revolution and again get rid of oligarchs ruling class. USA is slowly going the same way.

Like I said in the beginning, in the Europe and the west we have many problems, especially in the USA. Buy still we can protest, we have ineptness journalists, Media, and we can organize. There's so much freedom, that in the current situation where Russia is a biggest threat, you can still organize pro Russian conference or political party. In Russian people like Politkowska were killed just far criticism of the Putin's regime, and pro Putins bots will lie about Russian genocide in Katyń, where thousands of polish intellectuals and officers were killed, goal was to destroy polish culture.

[-] dogbert@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Quality of life is shit

The discussion wasn’t about quality of life, but having objections to your country’s invasion tactics. Again, the comparison here is abysmal and America takes the cake. There is no competition.

No one said that, please stop with the manipulations and straw man arguments.

This is super whiney. I’m not sure you even comprehended the point that was made here.

this doesn't mean that Russia is any better.

My point was never about Russia being better than anyone. Just pointing out how evil Americans are.

Russia is the country that it's authoritarian right wing regime is known for killing opposition and independent journalists.

America just facilitated a literal genocide on children. Much worse comparatively. Even American leftists defend giving billions to Israel (eg AOC). It’s a depraved nation.

still we can protest, we have ineptness journalists, Media, and we can organize

How’s that working out for you? All those years of freedom and you still murdered and terrorized half the world. What a joke.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago

At least now that America is invading America white people are starting to see that America is evil.

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

I wish, instead the take away has been that America is turning into China

[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, and that's because Americans are genetically reactionary (read settlers kkkracka) and not because of silly nonsense like them living under dictatorship of their national bourgeois who impose values such as patriotism, narratives that suit capital's agenda etc, and thus enforce consent through existing superstructures and media

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

I get you're being sarcastic but the reality is that people also benefited from being reactionary and so were incentivized to play dumb about what the government does; French people who hate Traore for example don't hate him because he's a dictator, they hate him because his success (and consequently the success of the Sahel states) will impact them economically but because they don't want to reveal their orcish nature, they pretend they hate him because they hate dictatorships

[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 8 hours ago

Liberal nationalistic racism: 😡

Liberal nationalistic racism, third worldist edition: 😇

Bro is literally doing the exact same thing as Hitlers in the west, proclaiming that Russians are asiatic steppe orc hordes but just for a different country

[-] agingelderly@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

Isn't the bottom why 9-11 happened?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

Yes, and? Doesn't make it wrong.

[-] gustofwind@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Putin approval rating: 80%

Trump approval rating: 40%

So that would make Russian citizens twice as bad

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 13 points 1 day ago

This assumes that the only evil imperialists are MAGA, which is straight up false. In 2003 ~80% of Americans believed the Iraq war to be justified, so potato fucking potato. Hell, the American potato is worse considering Americans actually have freedom of speech.

[-] gustofwind@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In 2003 an entire nato coalition thought the Iraq war was justified with only a few holdouts

— 12 years into the Ukraine war Putin continues to enjoy an 80% approval rating

12 years after the Iraq war began, or 4 after it ended, a majority of Americans believe it was a mistake

[-] RusAD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 18 hours ago

Do you really trust Putin approval rating as reported by Putin? Next year he'll report 146% approval rating on himself, will that make Russians twice as bad as they're now?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 1 day ago

In 2003 an entire nato coalition thought the Iraq war was justified with only a few holdouts

Then the entire NATO coalition needs to die in a ditch with only a few holdouts. Why do you think I care?

12 years after the Iraq war began, or 4 after it ended, a majority of Americans believe it was a mistake

Then I'd like to see this belief translate to, you know, less imperialism, because something tells me the hundreds of thousands killed and millions displaced in Iraq are scarcely comforted by the fact that Americans in 2026 are kinda sad about it. Call me when y'all actually do something about your imperialism, until then you have no basis at all to claim moral superiority over Russians.

[-] gustofwind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The only difference is Americans feel bad about it and Russians overwhelmingly support doing the stuff Americans felt bad about

[-] dogbert@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

Americans definitely do not feel bad about it lol

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago

It's likely Russians wouldn't support the war as much as they are now if they had access to the kind of information Americans do, but either way that's not the point. Do you think Ukrainians would be better off if Russians felt bad about the war but not enough to actually do anything about it?

[-] gustofwind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Well feeling bad about a policy is a prerequisite to stopping it so since they don’t feel bad at all and in fact want to continue hostilities your point seems moot

Americans are subject to incredible disinformation and propaganda as well

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

Feeling bad about a policy is a necessary but not sufficient condition to stopping it, in the same way having a high school education is a necessary but not sufficient condition to being a CEO. And this isn't even getting into how Americans seem to always defend/outright support new imperialism. For example 74% of Americans supported Biden's Houthi airstrikes.

your point seems moot

My point (edit: forgot to complete this sentence) is that Russians aren't meaningfully worse than Americans, not that they're necessarily better.

[-] gustofwind@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Yes, if it’s a necessary condition then at least Americans feel bad and there’s some hope

Still waiting for Russians to feel bad

And just like your defense of Russians, I’m sure if more Americans had better access to better information then even more would feel bad but we are in unprecedented era of propaganda

[-] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

The so-called "coalition of the willing" was anything but. Most of them were bullied and coerced into joining the Iraq war.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 1 day ago

"If you're not with us, you're against us."

Veiled threat, naked threat

[-] dogbert@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

America certainly did approve of Obama deporting 3.1 million immigrants, turning Libya into a slave-state, collaborating with Israel for decades, and countless instances of foreign regime change.

The fact you’re mentioning Trump exclusively kinda proves you got brainwashed.

[-] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

The fuck I did. Every president we've had while Ive been alive deserves the noose

[-] dogbert@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Ok well the vast majority of Americans disagree with you.

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