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[-] apparia@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 months ago

I'm surprised how many people seem offended by this comic. I found it pretty relatable. That doesn't mean I "don't understand context", or think the writers were bad people, or that the shows aren't worth watching. It just means I find it personally unpleasant to find these jokes in a work I'm otherwise enjoying.

When kids study older literature and media in school, generally when there's a slur or racist reference or joke, the teacher will stop and explain the context and get the kids to reflect on it and why it's probably not acceptable today. Even though I understand this and know it going in, I'm still kind of doing an abridged version of that in my head when something like this comes up in a show -- I've been following along, laughing with the writers, and then suddenly I'm backing up and distancing myself from one joke or idea. It's jarring, it pulls me out of the show, and it's just not fun.

In some cases it also comes across as incredibly lazy and unoriginal. So many sitcoms from that era have "the trans episode", "the gay episode", "the lecherous character" -- and they all make the same unfunny jokes, and it's a reminder than a lot of these shows, even in their time, were just not that creative. Plenty of modern shows have the same problem, but they don't draw attention to it by having large classes of "stock jokes" that simply do not land today.

[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

When kids study older literature and media in school, generally when there's a slur or racist reference or joke, the teacher will stop and explain the context and get the kids to reflect on it and why it's probably not acceptable today.

I still remember how my English teacher gave context on usage of the n-word in Huckleberry Finn and how insightful it was for us at that age.

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[-] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago

The one that still gets me, and mostly because in this day and age of 2026 it still doesn't get as much homophobic backlash as I feel it clearly deserves is the pejorative: cocksucker.

In my anecdotal experience, 99.55% of the time, it's leveraged against men and used as a homophobic slur.

But even so, is sucking cock really that terrible of a thing to do? The vast majority of people with a cock enjoy the service. We literally celebrate the people who do it well for us personally, in most cases.

Why is it used as a slur?

Anyway, I'm off to suck some cock, see ya'll later.

[-] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Safe travels, cocksucker!

(Mods, please don't ban me. Please observe the context. Oh my god please jesus don't do it)

[-] Ranulph@thelemmy.club 1 points 3 months ago

That was pretty funny..safe travels indeed.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

But it's the wrong hole! >:V

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[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Early 2000s entertainment too. A good portion of the edgy jokes could be considered funny because they were made on the assumption that "We can laugh about this, because we all know racism and sexism is bad, right?".

And then 2015ish happened and it became obvious that a lot of people weren't laughing AT the -isms but rather WITH.

EDIT: Which slur did Ross use, BTW? I haven't watched that show in eons, and I don't remember any.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Round of applause to Deep Space 9 for holding up after all these years, half that station was bi at the very least.

[-] jaaake@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The alternate universe on that show was the horniest thing in TV for decades.

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[-] hypnicjerk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

haven't seen friends but as someone familiar with the zeitgeist it's almost certainly "retarded"

which was also all over adult swim at the time and is recently having its renaissance

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ah, the infamous hard R

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

I’m gonna say something bold:

Surprisingly not a problem for some shows, good example is Simpson golden age.

There is a gay episode but it’s mostly about Homer overreacting.

A lot of the satire of Simpson is trying to be functional in a dysfunctional system, which has aged like the greatest wine that frank grimes can’t afford.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago

We can put King of the Hill in that camp as well I think.

I think it's a better and more rounded show than any of them.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

I feel like every time I tried watching Big Bang Theory, I got this vibe.

"haha that guy is such a fucking nerd!" was virtually every laugh-track riddled joke.

[-] atthecoast@feddit.nl 5 points 3 months ago

You’re just not the target audience, as shown in this handy diagram:

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[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Hey that’s not fair to BBT, half of those jokes were “Sheldon is neurodiverse”

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

No! Stop! He's not! - The showrunner for some reason

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Because if you acknowledge that he's autistic, then a LOT of the series becomes "laugh at a nasty charicature of a disabled person."

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's how the representation should be handled.

This guy is awkward but has all these friends, they laugh and sometimes don't understand him but they're still friends.

If the show could be that progressive about neurodivergence then it might actually be good.

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

He said hello hahahahhahahaa....hahahahahaha omg omg bro omg he said- he said hahaha he said HELLO hahahaha

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I wish I could get people to care about health care and wages as much as they care about mean words. So many seemingly don't mind being robbed blind as long as our ruling parties using the correct terminology.

[-] SamemaS@lemmy.wtf 3 points 3 months ago

What, and give up purity testing? That would eliminate 90% of our recreational outrage and give us time and energy to actually do something. Can't have that.

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al 1 points 3 months ago

Without my sexual identity and virtue signaling I wouldn't have any personality at all.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Those topics are simple and easy to understand.

Understanding the long arc of the oppression of the labor class and the systemic design failures of US Healthcare is hard and the explanation won't fit in a TikTok.

[-] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 2 points 3 months ago

As Talleyrand once said: "An important art of politicians is to find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the public."

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I have collected so many of the movies I remember fondly as a Gen X’er. From the ‘70s to the ‘90s. Holy shit the stuff I’d forgotten that was in them. Rape-y stuff, comments about underage girls and basically leering at them with tbe camera, suicides, misogyny, women as sexual objects and nothing else, racism… It’s bad. I’d started a movie or two with my kids and had a “oh no” moment when a part started that I’d completely forgotten about. Some of that still exists, but it’s there as a narrative and plot point about the character doing the shitty things rather than the casual and institutional way it was played before. Just goes to show you how times and people (can; some don’t) change. Some of that stuff was not unusual in life for me back then, I wouldn’t dream of it today.

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[-] frog@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

Seinfeld is in the top of my list. Kramer can show up in black face and they left the episode in but someone can't be a dark elf in Community.

They also had Kramer making the Native American noises and stomping the Puerto Rican flag. Basically anything racist, they had the racist guy do. And it was okay because he looked like he had mental health issues.

[-] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That flag episode the joke was that everything he was doing was taken the wrong way. He had accidentally set on fire a flag that was behind him and tried to put out the fire, then someone shouts "Hey, there's a guy stomping the Puerto Rican flag!" and he is chased by a mob...

It's like that Monk episode where he has to shake hands with a lot of people from a group and the last one is black, and right after shaking hands with the black person he cleans his hands with rubbing alcohol, so everyone thinks he is racist and everything he does in the episode just makes him look even worse - because it was taken out of context (he is a germophobe, he cleans his hands with rubbing alcohol after touching anything and anyone).

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago

90s? I went into my rewatch of How I Met Your Mother knowing it was problematic, but the entire show is basically just one long sexist joke with a disappointing ending.

[-] orioler25@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Don't forget the sexual violence too

[-] erev@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

yeah i watched this show as kid with my dad and we both enjoyed it a lot (and i idolized Barney, although mostly his suits) but looking back theres so much sexual coercion and blatant lying for sex that idk if i could stomach the show nowadays

[-] dewritoninja@pawb.social 1 points 3 months ago

The whole Futurama episode where bender medically transitions to win in the robot Olympics. Huge yikes

[-] limelight79@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

In fairness, everyone else thinks it's a terrible idea and hates it.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Also i think the overall moral of the episode is that transitioning is a lot more complicated and difficult than Bender originally thought and he also was always planning on returning to his original identity so it’s assuming every trans athlete has malicious intent

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