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Yesterday while cooking I set off the smoke detector, no I did not burn anything. They go off when I cook over a high heat. And yesterday once they started going off they would not stop. I ended up having to disconnect them all (they are hard wired with an interconnect) and I replaced them this morning. Aaaaaaaand let me tell you, I had a sleepless night last night knowing there were no detectors installed.

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[-] Gork@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago

This is only true for the Americium based smoke detectors. The newer photoelectric cell fire detectors don't decay like Americium detectors, and as long as you replace the battery it'll be good for however long it's internal components (capacitors and whatnot) will last.

Technology Connections has a good video about this subject:

https://youtu.be/DuAeaIcAXtg

[-] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I was about to link to the same video. From what I remember though both types have strength and weaknesses in regards to the type of fire.

Edit: watched it again so ionization smoke detectors are better at detecting active fire, although his conclusion is that the benefit is not as big and overall photoelectric ones are better.

[-] philpo@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

This is plain WRONG and DANGEROUS.

The issue is NOT the Americum but the natural degration of the photoelectric cells and the accumulation of dirt within the test chamber.

Even before that time the risk for false alarms is increased substantially by degration before the chances for sucessful alarming decrease rapidly. Due to that they actually withstand aging actually worse than ionisation based devices.

Sientific sources?

Here

here.

Here

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(Besides: Americum has a decay time of over 400 years,btw)

[-] grue@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Your third source is about the 2020 follow-up study of the 2017 study in your first source. You've "only" got three independent sources even though it looks like four ("only" in scare quotes because three is still plenty).

[-] philpo@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

A follow up is a absolutely regular thing and does not diminish neither study.

[-] grue@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't say they were diminished. I said they weren't independent.

[-] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

According to the one i just had to replace, combo carbon monoxide detectors need to be replaced. I don't know how the carbon monoxide part works, but i wonder if it's a reagent or something.

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

This is anecdotical but I moved into an apartment with a 30 year old ionizing smoke detector, and the failure was it was too sensitive, I assume because there were less electrons being emitted from the radioactive element, any faint smoke caused it to go off. Eventually it got into a state where it would always be in an alert state, and was beeping 100% of the time, which was when the landlord finally replaced it.

My assumption with the 10 year replacement recommendation for Americium based smoke detectors is to replace it before it becomes too sensitive and annoying, because they were worried some people would remove the battery and just live without an active smoke detector.

[-] netweirdo@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Alec in his own video mentions that the issue isn't that the Americium decays, but that the electronics themselves age and fail, which applies to both the ionization detectors and photoelectric detectors.

This is one of the things you just don't wanna mess with, as such a failure is completely unpredictable, and from what I know some manufacturers are even beginning to make detector units with non-replaceable batteries, intended to be replaced whole when the battery dies after years of runtime, to make it impossible to keep using a detector after its rated lifetime.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

The half life for americium 241 is like 450 years. The 10 year replacement has nothing to do with decay. It's just a non specific safety in case any of the electronics or board etc start to fail. Photoelectric detectors have the same 10 year recommendation as a max.

It's actually recommend by many organizations (like the NFPA) to replace photoelectric detectors more often than ionization detectors, if anything.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

It's tuned to a specific output and isn't exactly field adjustable. Certainly it will continue to be radioactive long after you're dead, but that doesn't mean it will still be working properly.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

I know exactly how they work. I'm a firefighter and a hazmat technician. Plus I work on and repair electronics as a hobby. Your smoke detector failing after 10 or 30 years has zero to do with radioactive decay. It's from contamination (dust) and sensor degradation. Once the metal plates inside get enough buildup from dust (like smoke dust and regular dust) and contamination from humidity, the charge that's supposed to be detected between those plates from the ionization stays lower all the time. That means less actual "smoke" is needed to drop it below the threshold. This happens MUCH faster than radioactive decay reducing what it will ionize.

[-] MantisToboggon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

You should know I passive aggressively want to die.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's a reasonable reaction to the current state of things.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

But are you fine with dying from burning or smoking inhalation?

[-] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Smoke inhalation yes burning no

[-] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Reminds me of this, couldn't find the OG image unfortunately.

Hate it when people overlay unnecessary text, I guess it's for the simpletons

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

I replace 'em every other fire.

I'm genuinely curious: why do you need smoke detectors? I'm asking as an european that has lived without them all their life in more than one country. They are not mandatory here and not even common. What's the reason to install ther? (I know the reason is to detect smoke, I'm asking the underlying reason behind the need to detect smoke)

Possibly a difference in construction materials. Most stuff in the US is made of wood and other flammable materials. From what I understand, brick/stone based materials are the most common in European buildings.

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

If you are asleep and your house catches fire, the idea is that the smoke detector will wake you up with enough time hopefully to escape the fire. That is really their primary purpose.

Some European countries do require them. Germany and Britain require smoke detectors in all residential buildings, for example.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Detect fires, save lives.

[-] lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

I work in EMS. When we respond to house fires in the middle of the night there's kind of two different ways they go. When people have smoke detectors and their house catches on fire in the middle of the night they're the ones who call us and we get on scene to find them outside their home in their pajamas, watching their house burn, very shaken up but ok. They never need anything from us ambulance-wise except maybe some blankets. When people don't have smoke detectors in their homes and they catch on fire in the middle of the night a neighbor or passer-by calls the fire in and we get on scene and the firefighters are dragging bodies out to us.

[-] nocturne@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

As I mentioned in another comment, I almost died in a house fire. I had an aerosol can in a pile of clothes that caught fire from a heater, that can exploded and woke me. Otherwise I would have slept through the fire.

Your comment hits me really hard (I am sure not as hard as being on scene where they did not have detectors). But reading some of the dismissive comments I was starting to think I was over reacting, you assured me I was not.

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

If your smoke detectors go off when you are cooking, then the smoke detectors are too close to the kitchen. At least where I live, building code mandates one smoke detector in each bedroom, one in each hallway leading to a bedroom, and at least one smoke detector on each floor of the home. Generally, avoid placing smoke detectors near kitchens or exterior windows which, when open, are right next to a grill or other cooking appliance. Otherwise you're going to be getting a lot of false positives.

[-] nocturne@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

The closest detector to the kitchen was in a bed room.

There had been a different detector in the living room but had gotten knocked down a while ago and broke (and never replaced), it was not on the interlink system, and when the other detectors would go off while cooking the one in the living room would not.

As you can see from my image, the detectors I replaced were from 2005, and needed replacing for quite some time.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

nice try, big detector

[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

You're supposed to test them fairly regularly.

I get that monthly might be a pain, but once or twice a year is probably smart, for safety equipment.

[-] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

This is why I just go ahead and buy the new ones that come with batteries that last 10 years. You'll have to replace the whole unit when they die anyway.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Such a waste. Especially when the detector has WiFi in it. Gotta be a better way to do this.

[-] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The ones we have installed respond to IR signals from your TV remote. It doesn't matter what button you use on the remote, just point the remote at the smoke alarm and it will turn off

[-] Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's not something I knew, thanks for that!

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, that's when I replaced mine, too. When they became too sensitive. They lasted about 16 years.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

I don't even have smoke detectors. lol

[-] hubobes@piefed.europe.pub 0 points 2 weeks ago

Living in a country where smoke detectors basically don't exist and house fires are extremely rare (rare, not nonexistent, we had a pretty terrible fire in a bar on silvester) I always wonder if we are just stupid for not having them or why there are so many in places like the USA.

[-] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'd say stupid. I live in a country where most houses are brick walls + concrete floors, and smoke detectors are still common + since a few years also mandated by the government.

The government mandate came after it was found that of the dozens of people that died every year from house fires, 95% suffocated in their sleep.

Some numbers for my region: ~7m population, 70% of houses had smoke detection before the mandate, on average 63 died per year from house fires.

Some incorrect approximative math: Lets assume that the amount of dead could have been halved if those 30% houses had 2 smoke detectors per person (lets say 2 cheap ones for 2x20 euros per 10 years): 7m x 0.3 x 2 x 20€ /10 /63 x2 = a cost of 267€ per year per life saved. Imo that's a no brainer, it'd be stupid to not invest in smoke detection.

[-] h3ll3rsh4nks@ani.social -1 points 2 weeks ago

Other countries use less flammable materials in their construction. Wood frame construction is very common in the US due to drastically lower cost of wood vs block. We also had something called balloon frame construction for many years which made it much more likely for fire to travel within the walls. That being said not having detectors isn't a great idea either since most are combo smoke and carbon monoxide detectors.

[-] unphazed@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

YSK that those old detectors will most likely not have the same plugs as the old ones, either. Prepare to figure out what circuit they're all on and a rewire with new dongles (pigtails? Not sure of the right name). Ah, what a fun weekend. 15 min turned into a couple of hours.

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