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Okay but have we tried this? Can we? Please?
Fallout S1 reveals what would really happen.
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Incontent with their underground paradise, they go out and obliterate all forms of civilization that aren’t them.
What would really happen
Other greedy fucks and power hungry people would replace them. We need a sustainable way to stop this being possible, banishing the rich by itself wont do shit.
Before we build I have some notes based on the failure mode the tweet exposes.
- Why would the vault door be built in such a way that it can be reopened? Seems like over-engineering to me
- This thing doesn’t need to be sustainable for 10 years, it just needs to look like it will be. 10 days is more than enough for our purposes I should think
I bet those billionaires could make the system more efficient if they were properly motivated.
As much as I like the idea of locking billionaires away; the system that created them would still remain, their companies would still exist and there would still be plenty of unfeeling psychopaths with nothing but greed in their hearts.
Don't let the best be the enemy of good. Lets start with the villains we know. I can kill/imprison the rest later.
They forgot to seal the vents and doors with cement.
The trick is to brick up their bunkers from the outside once they've taken themselves inside.
Ah, the ol' "Cask of Amontillado" trick.
And cut the power so the sump pumps fail. Block up the air vents. They will get sent off like the pharaohs.
I still think it's preferable to eat them.
Feed them to pigs, then make bacon
I dunno, they probably would taste like shit. Are you familiar with composting?
Yeah that's what they said, peat them
I love the idea, but the billionaires know they're on a timer with regard to staff loyalty and will actively be monitoring the outside world to get out as quickly as possible. In a completely unrelated matter, I think we might have some good spots for building giant concrete structures to contain future radioactive waste...
Can't we just kill them instead? That would solve the whole getting out issue, AND they've already built cute little tombs to use as well
That's.... not how capitalism works 😐
But isn't it a beautiful dream?
Do you want to expand on that statement?
As a commenter in a different post put it: Remember when Brian Thompson was killed and UnitedHealthcare suddenly dissolved?
No, but I do remember when Brian Thompson was killed and UnitedHealthcare started granting a bunch of claims to the point that shareholders sued them over it, at least until the heat died down. In that time, countless lives were saved.
What’s with the push lately that I’ve seen to pretend that United and other healthcare CEOs weren’t shitting bricks and hiring personal security for months after he was killed?
Well yeah, of course. More relevantly, I even heard their insurance approval rate shifted positive... For a few months anyway. But If it's not back down already I assume it will be eventually. The profit pressure is still there.
They didn't say CEOs weren't scared
Right, they’re just using the idea that a single killing didn’t immediately result in the collapse of the for-profit healthcare system to imply that resistance (violent and nonviolent) is futile.
No, you're inferring that while trying to lump them with an unrelated group of people.
Because only one wealthy guy got killed not all of them. The meme also doesn't work when it's only Elon Musk going into the bunker.
I'm okay with testing that one. Let's lock Elon Musk in a bunker for 10 years. You know for science
Get back in your hole. Are you too good for your hole?
"billionairs"
New elites would just take their place
Sounds a bit like The Defenders (Phillip K. Dick)
There will always be people who are the smartest and/or shrewdest and/or most ambitious and/or luckiest, in a population. "Just get rid of the people who currently have the most wealth" is extraordinarily naive.
Ok. But what if we keep doing it? It's good for the environment, and it's a great source of steady employment opportunities.
There's kind of a difference between "whoever happens to be wealthiest at the moment" and "The 0.001% of the population that is three times wealthier than the bottom 50% of humanity combined."
Over the long term, there really isn't. Outside of a government imposing tyranny-tier control over everyone's wealth, wealth inequality happens naturally, and inevitably, and the gap widens similarly.
What's more important is making sure that even the poorest among us can have a decent standard of living. After all, if you waved a magic wand and now everyone in the US, for example, was earning $75,000 a year minimum, no one would be in poverty, right? And yet the size of the 'wealth gap' between the wealthiest and the $75k 'minimum earners' would effectively be identical; the gap between $0 and billions is basically the same as the gap between $75k and billions.
Toppling the wealthiest just because they're the wealthiest isn't going to solve any of the actual problems (especially when politicians get bribed for relatively-measly five figure sums, etc.).
Outside of a government imposing tyranny-tier control over everyone’s wealth, wealth inequality happens naturally, and inevitably, and the gap widens similarly.
Hmm, this tyranny idea sounds pretty interesting then.
Except that the only way you get everyone a baseline income of $75k is by taking it from the billionaires, thus reducing the gap much more substantially
Billionaires are the result of Capitalism, change the system, no more parasitic billionaires. Also chop off their heads.
"Billionaires" existed before capitalism, they were just called "Kings" or "Lords" or "Emperors" or "High Priests" or whatever.
The difference is that with capitalism at least they're producing something. Often they become billionaires because the regulations break down and they become monopolists. But, they're still producing something and selling it to someone.
"Billionaires" of the past were rich because they won the parental lottery and inherited vast amounts of land, and the people that worked that land. Or, occasionally, because they won a war against someone else who held land and now owned the people that other "billionaire" used to own.
I'm not saying capitalism is a great system. But, it didn't create wealth disparity. That has existed since even before agriculture. So, getting rid of capitalism isn't going to get rid of billionaires because they're a problem in every other system. In theory, you might not have billionaires under communism, but communism in theory doesn't seem to work. In practice, it results in billionaires too. In theory capitalism shouldn't have billionaires either because the government was supposed to regulate businesses to force them to continue to compete. But, wealth disparity is something that no political system has ever managed to actually get rid of.
There's wealth disparity and then there's the wealth chasm of today, the disparity has grown so much in the last couple of decades beyond anything in human history.
The only reason it can is because of capitalism (neoliberalism, late stage capitalism).
The system incentivises and rewards the horrific behaviour that results in the disparity.
Also, pray tell, what are inheritocrats who made all their non-inherited money through stock markets producing?
As far as I can see, they're not producing anything, but are profiting off the backs of, and at the expense of, those that are producing the value.
Have you guys seen Back to the Future?
could we have one thread where we don't talk about President Tannen please
Sorry.
It's spelled "catastrophe" and if you think somehow sustaining 8+ billion people is going to be any different with or without billionaires, you have a child's grasp of how the world works.
Because you are now assuming everyone's just going to become a cyclist vegan living in densified 300 sq ft condos doing their communal laundry every two weeks with recycled bath water.
You see that happening?
Because you are now assuming everyone’s just going to become a cyclist vegan living in densified 300 sq ft condos doing their communal laundry every two weeks with recycled bath water.
Except simply requiring remote work to be an option for all jobs where its feasible will significantly reduce pollution as we all observed in Q2 of 2020
Also limiting fossil fuel use for energy and shipping overall.
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