Claims... Claims... Claims.
Okay.
Not saying they're lying but... You know, Tesla, Elmo Musk, made claims after claims after lie after claim lie after.... And none of it was true. The guy pretty much invented serial lying.
So now when I see these extraordinary claims, I'm juuuuuuust a tiny teensie bit skeptical. I'll believe it when an independent company verifies this, not a single second before
One by one, the naysayers' objections to EVs melt away. Can't do cold climates, they said - fixed. Can't cope with long journeys, they said - fixed.
They also said that if everybody installed a charger in their house the grid would collapse, but suddenly there's excess capacity for all those data centers
Privately funded capacity. See Microsoft buying a god damned nuclear power plant just to pay for their own data center usage. I hate this timeline
This takes a real hit out of the new sodium batteries that CATL are bringing online right now.
So cool that we have two batteries that basically fit all the needed requirements for most applications. Cheap, safe, made from abundant materials, fast charging, long lasting, recyclable, work in the cold.
I get they are not the complete most energy dense batteries you would want to use in your phone or a super high end car where you can brag about having the longest range on the market.
But for renewables and grid storage, for cars for everyday driving or even exceptional once in a year road trips. The problem has been solved with two difference battery techs, it's amazing.
For solar and wind you need to store energy when it's not sunny or windy. You don't care much about energy density for a stationary battery bank. Solar is already the cheapest way the generate energy even when you include the cost of batteries, sodium batteries just make that even cheaper. That's huge massive improvement for the energy grid. And that saves lithium for where you need higher energy density.
Solar filling up large sodium batteries, sodium batteries filling up the lithium batteries in you phone and car. That's the future.
This sodium ion batteries are going to be in cars too.
Maybe eventually, but at the moment EVs are under tech pricing rules where there's early adopter pricing. New EVs are expensive because some people are willing to pay a premium to have the latest and greatest tech. While that's still happening, those people probably aren't going to opt for a sodium battery that won't have as much range. And for those wanting a cheaper EV and don't need as much range, they can save a lot more money by simply buying a used EVs.
EV batteries last a remarkably long time, most EVs made 15 years ago are still running on their original battery. I suppose those batteries will eventually start failing and so there will be a market for sodium batteries to replace the old lithium batteries. A new sodium battery would only need to provide the same range as an old lithium battery for that market.
So I guess yes, they will be used in cars. Replacement batteries at first, but my guess it will be longer before they're an option in new EVs.
Nice. Now the real question is how fast does the battery deteriorate. There is always a balance between speed, capacity, and durability.
Seems like these batteries push more toward the speed and capacity side.
And if you have the time, watch the latest technology connections video. Its long but worth it. Especially if you are from NA.
All the fear mongering about renewables and batteries is insane.
The amount of Facebook slop accounts about car batteries catching fire is mental. Petrol of course being famously non-flammable...
Seems like these batteries push more toward the speed and capacity side.
Why? What makes you say this? This ~skepticism~ accusation seems unfounded.
BYD offers an industry-leading 8 year, 250,000km warranty. They are obviously confident about durability, and the proven durability of the gen1 battery is testament to their engineering prowess. The gen1 batteries are rated for 3000 to 4000 cycles. There's a reason both Tesla and Caterpillar are starting to use BYD (finDreams) batteries.
I would not be surprised if BYD is the industry leader and has the best battery technology, I just also wouldn't be surprised if they are doing a showcase of the potential of the batteries if they sacrificed longevity. It is a claim by a company and isn't verified by independent consumers.
Battery technology especially has a long history of performance with big astricks, so it's good to be skeptical, even with industry leaders.
Why? What makes you say this? This skepticism seems unfounded
Basic physics knowledge? Why would we disregard that based on the word of a corporation whose entire goal is to convince us to buy their products?
Warranties are a great way to build trust, but it's still based on a promise, not the reality if the physical world. When a resource rich company wants to dominate a market, and push out competition, they will often promise these sorts of things to capture a market.
I won't say that the technology isnt possible, or that they're not providing... but going all in all at once based entirely on promises seems premature. And trying to shut down any potential criticism because of it seems suspect at best.
If you want people to trust in this, maybe engage with them instead of trying to shout them down.
This is from improved tech, not from (un)balancing speed, capacity and durability. That idea doesn't hold to improved technology.
This is just absolutely wrong lmao
Can you say more about this? You seem confident and I’m curious.
It is quite simple. If you take the exact same technology, then it is some sort of a triangle between quality, speed and capacity. But saying that it always is like that is implying, that there are no technological advancements. Li-Ion, Li-Po, whatever materials you use, the products you use today are way better than 10 years ago.
wouldnt sabotaging fossil fuel infrastructure be extremely good thing, considering fossil fuels are making planet less habitable? usa doing it is the last thing i would expect.(an yes, i know they dont do it for the planet) Nice to read these kinds of surprisingly positive news for change.
It will just get more expensive.
What exactly, you might ask?
The answer is
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yes.
The title is editorialized, doesn't reflect the article actual headline.
I'm not saying it's innacurate. I'm saying it's better to provide commentary in a comment, rather than altering the title.
Batteries don’t have ranges? The title is a bit annoying lol.
Fair, but a battery designed for vehicles with a known energy density can be easily described as having a range, because it currently has one primary application.
Not really. The efficiency of vehicles varies significantly. The range of the monstrous EV Hummer is not going to be the same as a more efficient vehicle, even with the same pack.
The title of the article is stupid and journalists should stop being stupid for clicks.
I can agree with all of that, well reasoned.
As the US sabotages the globe's fossil fuel infrastructure
Wait, the US is actually doing something good?
As the US sabotages the globe’s fossil fuel infrastructure at the behest of Israel
Wait ... so maybe this war is actually based?
Yes! Let's attack every oil-producing country in the world, cause oil prices to skyrocket, and thus cause widespread adoption of EVs and renewable energy. It's the perfect plan!
The USA produces lots of fossiel fuel, enough for its own consumption and then some for export.
It's not obvious, at least to me, that high oil prices would negatively affect (US) oil companies.
Did I make an exception for the US? Obviously, the Trump regime will attack the US as well.
And if the Hormuz blockage continues China will be unable to manufacture them. Nor deliver them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Nations_Railway_Corridor
On May 9, 2023, the first trial run of cargo from Iran to Afghanistan via the Khaf-Herat railway was completed. This shipment included 17 wagons that transferred 655 tons of railway equipment that will be used in the further construction of the rail line. The Khaf-Herat railway is 225 kilometers long, with 140 km of the railway track traversing Afghanistan and the remaining 85 km running through Iran. The construction of the Khaf-Herat railway line, which links Khaf in eastern Iran with Herat in western Afghanistan, began back in 2007.
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The railway is expected to especially benefit the landlocked Afghanistan, which would gain direct access to the Iranian seaports of Chabahar and Bandar Abbas. Through Iran, the line can connect to the Turkish railway network.
Incidentally, as the US goes to war with Iran, Pakistan is going to war with Afghanistan.
And everyone's continuing to freak out about the Chinese economy usurping the role once held by the NATO block. Crazy how all this happens at once.
Why? It only blocks off the oil producing countries in Arabia, the way from China to the Suez Canal doesn't go through it.
Iran has made exceptions to the blockade for Russia and China, and now India.