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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/43965516

It is worth noting that both the hardware and software of Fairphone is heavily dependent on a Chinese company T2Mobile.

For those looking to avoid both US and Chinese companies, then the Jolla phone is the way to go.

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[-] aproposnix@scribe.disroot.org 6 points 1 month ago

I got my gen 6 a few days ago with /e/os installed. I definitely don't regret it.

[-] blinfabian@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

same, but installing a different launcher is sadly mandatory as the default is ass

[-] aproposnix@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 1 month ago

Not a big deal for me as I customize every phone that I own anyway, so for me I'm just using Lawnchair and that works perfectly for me even on this phone so I don't see an issue with it.

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[-] ottieplod@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago
[-] Thorgrem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Nice. How does it work compared to Android? Do all apps work (bank, government, shops and so on)?

[-] illi@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

Not /e/OS user, but it is Android - just degoogled. Uses microG as a replacement for Google services if I'm not mistaken.

As for apps, I recommend checking out an app called Plexus on Fdroid - it's an app where people report how apps work on alternative ROMs with either microG or fully degoogled. It's pretty neat.

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[-] 18107@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago

Fairphone 6

My bank app will install, but I can't login unless I also install Google Play Services. The website works fine without.

No issues with other apps. I do prioritise installing from F-Droid whenever possible.

[-] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I use a different open source OS. Have you tried microG? Or is that already on e? Even if you have it, some parts might need configuring.

[-] UNY0N@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 month ago

I have eOS on the fairphone 5, and I have had zero problems with banking apps and the like.

That doesn't mean you won't have problems though, I don't use many of those kinds of apps other than a bank authentication app, and a few others for public transit tickets, etc. I also live in europe, milage may vary elsewhere.

Keep in mind that eOS IS android, just with google telemetry removed. You can add a google account if you want/need to, at which point any android app should work as expected. That of course defeats the purpose somewhat, but even then eOS will still help you stay as private as possible by informing you about app trackers and using alternative services for location, etc.

[-] aproposnix@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 1 month ago

My bank app worked. I was very happy about it. My metro pass app also installed without issue and transferred my pass. Even government apps worked. Microg is useful for sure.

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[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

They have a "fair labor" agreement with China so that it is as ethically sourced as possible. People can't just get anything somewhere else. They are at least trying.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the Jolla phone is the way to go

Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.

Edit: https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26

[-] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

I mean the downsides are it's Linux. That's not without it's upsides but the downsides are huge.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago
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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

Would a phone have that many downsides? I would think that a computer would have much more. Maybe the phone companies don't play nice? I 100% don't know what the downsides would be.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

From my research, the phone part of the "phone" doesn't work very well. Which is a pretty big caveat.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago

I have one. It has no issues with calling, video, ect...

It works in the states as well. And all apps too. I guess my only complaint is parts are getting hard to come by for fairphone 4. Which is why i bought the phone, to be repairable.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

We were discussing Jolla, not fairphone

[-] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago

That’s the main thing you’re buying it for…

[-] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago

Well, are you? I can’t remember the last conversation I had over phone.

[-] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I'm with you - I'd pay extra for a phone that doesn't take calls just so I can force everyone to just send it as a text.

[-] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

Yes. Especially with work, although not necessarily with my personal phone, it does happen.

Also, it’s a 650 Euro, £562, device….i don’t want to buy it and some parts don’t work.

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[-] aegg@europe.pub 0 points 1 month ago

Where did you get that from? I have been using one for the past 6 months without any calling issues.

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[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.

SailfishOS userland is proprietary software. AOSP is more open than SailfishOS. The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM.

Upside of SailfishOS: There is a decent chance that the upcoming Linux ARM version of Steam + Proton will run directly on that device.

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[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I've been using a CMF Nothing with /e/OS installed by Murena for a year now and I can say it's been a breeze.

[-] itistime@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago

Avoiding Chinese companies is a factor for me, BUT if the choice is between a Chinese company that wouldn’t comply with a five-eyes data request vs one that would, then I would definitely prefer my data be stolen by a foreign country that doesn’t see me as a sovereign risk

[-] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Chinese company who has to comply with the CCP is a problem for me, and my work.

[-] inari@piefed.zip 1 points 1 month ago
[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

If it's anywhere in the public sector it might be a problem.

[-] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Stuff I and my employer doesn't want the CCP to know.

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[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

This is exactly what we need: profound economic warfare, and lawfare against the sources exploiting us. We need to organize and support the groups that fight the forces leading to us getting exploited.

Our problems are fundamentally human sourced, and we need to take action to stop being vulnerable to exploitation and coercion.

All other problems CAN be resolved with time and work.

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

I have had this for 4 months and love it. Previously had Samsung 25 Ultra. Hated it.

Anyone know if the coming Android restrictions will impact support?

Ok, I like that attitude, but could you go into more detail? AFAIK hardware wise the samsung will likely be better in every way I think?

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It wasn't a hardware preference, it was a privacy and control preference. Samsung is a data miner. I absolutely hate being locked out of my own shit. It doesn't belong to you, but you're renting their device and paying with data. I can see the calls home on my monitoring software, and now they have that MS linking SW that you can't remove. I hate Samsung. Also, my S25 Ultra broke twice and I only got about 2 weeks use out of it total. Once, fell out of my pocket on carpet. Last, off coffee table and into floor. Those things are expensive and extremely fragile now.

Fairphone is honestly not a bad switch. It's smaller than a flagship Samsung screen, but as ethically sourced as possible, modular so repairs are easy, open source software, privacy focused, has an ecosystem curated with care, and you can sideload all you want. I think I pay like $25 or $45 a month for unlimited everything with hotspot through the provider that supports it in the US. Also, there is no bloatware. It's the absolute minimum needed for them to be a marketable solution in my opinion. My battery has never died in 4 months. Sometimes it uses less than 10% a day. Samsung was a nightmare constantly draining. I could go on and on.

Edit: Had S22 Ultra for 3 years before trying the dog shit S25. It took a beating, didn't have MS link SW, but that is the device I used while developing better habits like deleting Facebook and beginning degoogling efforts. I never saw Samsung show fragility before 2025. Had several Samsungs before then too.

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