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[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

The speed at which firefox has been enshittified is as impressive as it is sad.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

...and we'll all suffer as climate change increases. None of this shit is worth frying for.

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Dont worry the US and Israel are starting WW3 as we speak we will all be dead before then any way

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nah, it's just imperialist billiards, big vs little.

It's all part of "the great game" the west has been playing against Russia in the middle east for over a century.... The middle east is where America does it's proxy wars.

World wars are only a risk if a white European country is attacked. Horrendous isn't it.

[-] ISOmorph@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago
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[-] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Donald Trump is the most environmentalist president ever. With oil prices as they are, can you imagine how much less oil we're burning?

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[-] XLE@piefed.social 31 points 2 months ago

Relevant section:

Smart Window uses ‘memories’, things Mozilla says “…it learns from your activity” to inform its responses.

You can delete memories individually, and you can set any given chat session to not use/store them.

Fine so far.

The problem? My memory list isn’t populated with things Smart Window learned since I enabled it. Oh no.

It has activity going back months. We’re talking searches and website interactions from long before I enabled this. features.

Firefox just handed that history to the AI models to plough from, without telling me upfront.

I found this the creepiest aspect of Smart Window.

Mozilla says this was a flub; it will refine the onboarding around Smart Window to limit memory formation to post-opt-in activity only. That’s obviously the right fix.

Because sharing a user’s prior browsing history with third-party AI models, silently, on feature activation, without any headset? Yeah, a bit icky – but that’s the price of testing features that are finished, I guess.

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago

I'm willing to give them a pass since this was a development build and while someone probably should've thought of it, it's the kind of bug that can happen. If this was the public release it would be a lot more outrageous.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago

Finding out about this gives me some extra questions, though.

  • Was this data summarized on enabling this window, or before?
  • Did it use an existing model, or re-use one that someone may have already downloaded for a different feature?
  • Is this activity going anywhere else, like Mozilla's recent "privacy-preserving" advertising?
  • When this does release, what will the default be?
[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

There’s also an option to bring your own LLM, with fields for model name, endpoint, and API token available for entry when the manual option is enabled. However, the page itself warns local models may not work correctly.

It looks like there's an option for people to self-host too. You won't have to send your history to someone else's computer.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 2 months ago

If it's anything like how they handled the AI sidebar, this option is going to get hidden before it hits production.

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[-] TDCN@feddit.dk 17 points 2 months ago

F*** I really dont want to change away from Firefox. Pleas be good Firefox. Please! Don't F this up.

[-] Godort@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

Librewolf is exactly the same browser with all the security features dialed to 11 and all the AI removed.

[-] Steve@communick.news 11 points 2 months ago

And it breaks sooo many sites.
Waterfox, is Firefox that just works.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago

It might be easier to soften Librewolf than harden Firefox, but fair point.

If you're a relatively normal user and you still want to use LibreWolf, I would recommend:

  • disable fingerprinting
  • not clearing history on exit

Most of this is easy to find, especially thanks to the LibreWolf menu

[-] eli@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah it's all just in the GUI to enable and disable what you don't want.

I don't get what people are complaining about with LibreWolf being "too hard". Like it's 1 minute clicking through menus and you're done. 5 minutes if you need to read and search things up real quick.

But LibreWolf, ublock installed by default, and then set up containers. Just pure bliss.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

For us, sure. For the average Joe who doesn't know about the side effects of fingerprinting, not so much.

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[-] cabbage@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago

I tried Librewolf for a while and found it to be a bit too much for me when all I really want is Firefox without AI. The privacy options are probably great but not for me.

Just installed waterfox. First impression is that I am super happy to be bock to the previous Firefox theme - it takes less space and looks nicer in my opinion. Seems promising. Thanks for the recommendation! :)

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[-] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

It only breaks sites because RFP is on by default and some greedy sites dont like RFP. You can just turn it off and use a good user agent mask (if you care about fingerprinting)

[-] chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah Librewolf does go really fucking hard on security/privacy to the detriment of functionality, but the are upfront with that so you shouldn't be going in completely blind. I think Water Fox is a nice happy medium for users that don't want to fuck around with technical stuff.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

unfortunately forks depend on FF, and chrome to survive.

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Much like Adobe‘s Acrobat which I also have to use for work. At least from what I can tell when it suddenly summarizes a PDF. There‘s no way in hell that happens locally. But the fact that it seemingly automatically processes potentially sensitive data from customers didn‘t even do as little as raising eyebrows when I brought it up.

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[-] versionc@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I used to enjoy AI a lot, and I still think the technology is really cool, but lately I'm beginning to despise it. It spreads and nestles itself into every corner of our life, and it rots whatever it touches, be it the humans that rely on it or the projects in which it's used. I see so many open source projects that are tainted with it, it's almost impossible to avoid it. It's sad. The generations that will grow up with AI will be fucked.

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[-] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

So sad for Firefox. I try to keep using since it’s the only solution free of Chromium, but I guess chromium will control everything only Safari will not be chromium.

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[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 2 months ago

There's a master "kill switch" for all AI features in Firefox now. I suggest everyone who's concerned about this kind of thing just go and turn it off, and then we need never bother each other over this again.

[-] chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Or pick a Firefox fork that doesn't have the AI bullshit. Libre Wolf is great for people who take security very seriously,l. I hear Water Fox is a much closer equivalent to Firefox without AI, and also has a focus on privacy. I've also been using Iron Fox on my android with basically no issues.

With Mozilla's current track record I don't trust them to not fuck with the AI "killswitch".

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[-] LostWanderer@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

It's still opt out, not opt in because on first install that LLM garbage is enabled by default. The kill switch should've been for people that chose to try LLM garbage and found it lacking; needing an easy way to disable it all.

I won't stop complaining until Firefox makes their LLM nonsense opt-in, letting a user choose at first boot if they want that shit or not. That would be the most ethical and user respecting way to handle their LLM shit.

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[-] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago

"When it comes to privacy, defaults matter."

- Mozilla

Why not remove the AI and offer them as a separate extension? That way you're happy, and everybody else doesn't have crap shoved down their throats.

[-] albbi@piefed.ca 3 points 2 months ago

My master AI killswitch was just to switch to Waterfox.

[-] mintiefresh@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

Waterfox. Librewolf. Zen. Floorp.

They're all good options in their own ways. Just pick one and go

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[-] senna@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Just let them shoot themselves in the foot. Get familiar with the forks. Someone at Mozilla has no idea what they're doing. You would think they would learn their lesson last AI garbage but I guess not.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Ai in browsers is stupid

[-] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

Seeing AI invade open source is sad. AI slop contributions. AI integration that no one asked for.

For now Firefox derivatives are fine (I use LibreWolf), but many of those derivatives don't work on macOS because it "fails to verify that this executable is actually executable" (what does that actually mean?????????).

I had hopes for Ladybird Browser but now it's being vibe coded (rewritten in rust by ai for no reason whatsoever), and it's not ready yet anyway. Now I'm hopeful for Servo engine. It's in development but at some point it will be ready, and it bans slop contributions.

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[-] tackleberry@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 months ago

You should see how AI is being deployed in warfare. Plausible deniability is about to go through the roof.

Back in the day, you get out jail free card was on a scale of "the devil made me do it" to "I was following orders", now we get "It was AI"

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[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

OpenCode with Playwright gives you full control over what model you use, the prompts, and what it integrates with, and it promotes open weight models. The way Firefox implements this seems gimmicky, and I don't like that it persistently collects your info while browsing. Also fuck OpenAI.

[-] mimavox@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

One would think they'd be extra careful not to piss the users off at this point... but no.

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