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Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’ but it doesn’t look like that will change Microsoft’s plans. In a post on X and other places, Microsoft reaffirmed its commitment to AI in Windows 11 and encouraged Electron developers to consider using AI in their apps.

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[-] db2@lemmy.world 61 points 3 weeks ago

Microslop Winslop 11 with Electroslop

[-] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Today it took almost 30 seconds for the context menu to appear when I right clicked on a file in windows explorer. I mean ffs, if I wanted everything to be a browser, I'd use a chromebook.

(Inb4 "install linux", it's a work computer and I don't get a say in OS)

[-] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Dude. Same. Windows 11 at work is fucking awful.

My laptop idles at 12 out of 16 gigs of RAM free.

Right clicking takes dozens of seconds, especially on a network share.

Did IT remove a letter mapped network drive? Haha! Fuck you! Windows hangs indefinitely if you open Windows explorer. You gotta fuck around in the registry to remove that shit.

The only good thing about windows 11 is tabs in Windows explorer. Which MacOS and Linux have had for a gazillion years.

[-] reev@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Even in Edge, Outlook (a Microslop web app running on a Microslop browser) sometimes takes up to a minute to load on refresh. HOW!? God I hate that company.

[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Just like the good old days of running Windows 3.1 on an Intel 386sx. We've come full circle.

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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The one thing Apple has done an amazing job of over the years is providing a solid, clean, common application framework for all of their systems.

They've fucked it up recently, but basically, 90% of the time you'd get the same consistent interface design across all apps, with common design language and iconography and accessibility features. They aggressively deprecate so you have to keep that $100 dev fee rolling, but the experience has been good for the the better part of 20 years (post carbon & X11, pre-liquid ass, the cocoa years).

If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.

I am happy to report: Windows apps that look different, feel shit to use and perform like shit are already available!

E.g. Teams, the CPU warmer from hell, was rolled out to Windows long ago. It was coded for Electron and couldn't even integrate with Microsoft Windows' taskbar popups. They had to fake one by creating a window that moved itself up from below the screen. Did this break when you changed resolution? Yes it did. Did it break when you moved the taskbar? Yes it did. Did it break when- YES IT DID

[-] batshit@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

The one thing Apple has done an amazing job of over the years is providing a solid, clean, common application framework for all of their systems.

iOS doesn't even have a universal back button, every app has their own way of implementing it.

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[-] org@lemmy.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

How has Apple fucked up recently?

[-] faltryka@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

As an avid Apple user the most recent ui changes are unfathomably bad. The os has become notably less useful to me in som frustrating ways. I can solve some but not all of it through settings.

[-] org@lemmy.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

You mean since 26? I agree. I dunno who they have at the wheel, but they need to step down lol.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago
[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

IIRC the person most responsible for Liquid Glass now works at Meta.

[-] AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago
[-] org@lemmy.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

That’s the AI, which is only a small fraction of the problem with 26.

[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 26 points 3 weeks ago

Spontaneously I had the idea of entering this forbidden word into a browser, just to see what would happen:

microslop.com

The result was truth, and nothing but the truth, I can assure you :-)

[-] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 weeks ago

Oh yeah, it’s good. The link to microslop: https://microslop.com/

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Lack of constraints has killed everything. I hope all the RAM and storage becomes unusable people are forced to work with 3mb again.

[-] MirrorGiraffe@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, they'll just push for streaming compute power and charge you once more!

[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I'm just waiting for their reaction when everyone is supposed to use cloud desktops and the average application assumes the user has 128 GB of RAM.

[-] mrnobody@reddthat.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

You mean when care was taken while coding and an OS could "run on 1GB but suffice with 2GB? I know everyone hated Win 8 but it was a welcomed change plus no bullshit on it at the time.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

Real men remember when windows vista launched like shit because it assumed there were way more brand new high memory machines out there than there actually was

[-] ranzispa@mander.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Vista is the reason I started using Linux.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Unix was the resson I started using Linux.

[-] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

Can thank Intel for that, they pressured MS to lower the documented requirements so they could sell more low-end hardware.

Of course, MS executives also gladly went along with it, not like they're innocent in any way.

Also Nvidia and their drivers caused issues, as usual.

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[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 weeks ago

If you don't want to write native code, then make a PWA. At least those don't run a separate copy of chrome for each program.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

PWAs do have severe limitations though… i wish it wasn’t; i love PWAs but they’ve been massively hamstrung by the big players. sadly, they’re not really comparable other than for basic apps IMO

[-] aeharding@vger.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

And or tauri

[-] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

I'm pretty anti webtech but even I've written GUIs in wails. I hate electron so much, but what makes it worse is that there are so many better options. The people that keep pushing it are stupid*

[-] lung@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Windows now Chromebooks?

[-] sonofearth@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Repeat with me.

INSTALL LINUX!

[-] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 weeks ago

Of course MS would want people to develop Electron apps given they're trying to move Windows to the cloud anyways.

[-] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

This quote from the article is fucking hilarous:

Discord has also openly admitted that its Windows app is a resource hog, and it has rolled out a feature that allows the app to restart itself when RAM usage exceeds 4GB.

Why is my Electron "Hello World" app 10Gb?

[-] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Once again, Microslop is a strong contender for Linux Marketer Of The Year award

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
  1. Not really surprising considering Windows seems to be increasingly swapping their native shell components for Web Views (you can tell because sometimes they fail to load (: )

  2. You know it's bad when Brendan fucking Eich is the reasonable one

[-] allywilson@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

This sentence reads like Microsoft is the inventor of Javascript:

Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’

So there's 3 things, either they meant Typescript, they are very wrong or they're quoting Brendan Eich and not attributing it to him.

[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

If we're going to slop it up with AI so hard you don't even look at the code can we at least use performant tools and start slopping Rust or something instead, dear god.

[-] psoul@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

FYI for those who don’t know what electron is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_(software_framework)

[…] desktop applications using web technologies (mainly HTMLCSS and JavaScript […])

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not listening to Microsoft anymore

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Every damn fucking time MSFT is mentioned: Install Linux, Problem Solved.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Can someone explain what an electron app is?

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