Doctors used to believe that babies couldn't feel/understand pain.
More like doctors reject inconvenient truth in favor of useful lie
Doctors still think the cervix has no nerve endings.
I'm not sure what you mean by this; the cervix is known to have many nerve endings and is accepted medical knowledge.
Still don’t offer pain relief for procedures like IUD insertion and the like.
Um, yes they do. They tell us to take ibuprofen before the procedure.
And that apples are dangerous.
Tbf apple seeds do have cyanide in them and should not be consumed in large quantities.
Unless you are a doctor that does not give pain relief for IUD.
"A lethal dose of cyanide is around 50–300 milligrams (mg). A 2018 analysis of previous research states that a person would have to eat around 83–500 seeds to develop acute cyanide poisoning." Medical News Today, citing 2018 Oxford analysis
A redditor also did the math on how many apples that would be: "Apple seeds can release as much as 0.6 mg of Cyanide per gram of seed.
The average apple seed has a mass of 0.756 grams
The average apple contains 8 seeds
Therefore there are approximately 5.25 grams of apple seeds per apple, yielding a theoretical maximum release of 3.25 mg of cyanide from one apple
The lethal dose of Cyanide is based on body mass and is listed as 1.5 mg/kg.
A human can ingest about 41% of the lethal dose before seeing any side effects.
41% of 1.5 mg/kg = 0.615 mg/kg
The average adult male weighs 81.6466 kg (180 lbs)
Therefore the lethal dose in the average male is 50.213 mg.
50.213/3.15 = ~16 Apples
Therefore the average male can consume ~16 apples without feeling any side effects."
When I was a kid, I watched a TV show with one of Australia's early 'celebrity' chefs, Bernard King. He had a live lobster in front of him, which he then proceeded to cut the tail from. The lobster made audible 'squeeee!' noises, and tried to move away. He just laughed and said it couldn't feel anything.
Anyway, he was a cunt.
It's actually very environmentally friendly to eat humans so the momentary pain is offset by the collective good.
It's only environmentally friendly to eat humans with a net worth over a certain amount.
why are thelobsters cooked? They turn red during cooking, so these two must be speaking from experience.
You wouldn't do this to your cat. Or your dog. Or any other pet. Why should they have to go through it?
I would eat both of it were legal. Dog meat has been described to me multiple times and it sounds devine. Cats used to be called rooftop chickens. If you're unwilling to eat X meat because of sympathy, I think you're a bad omnivor. Also my family recently survived a famine so I feel it's disrespectful to my ancestors
But would you boil them alive?
Dont forget that cats also are invasive in a lot of places. Now get that rooftop chicken before it gets an actual bird.
on a serious note: the good PR that cats have is INSANE they are dangerous for avifauna but saying that ones cat is an "outside cat" who needs to roam around freely is somehow considered a valid statement - it is a pet ffs. But doing the same with a dog usually is not.
As required where I live cats should be neutered/sterilized.
That is sufficient.
The invasive argument is often used as an excuse by cat haters (there seem to be a lot for some reason) and sadists who do the most horrible things to them.
My cat was as good as a family member.
Always said if theoretically there were 2 people in a burning house and my cat, the first thing I'm doing is save my cat.
Not even a question.
And I don't want to think about what I would do if I caught one of those sick animal torturers.
Don't cats also keep rodent populations in check? It's not all bad. Cities are completely transformed for humans anyway, so it's hard to say what fauna "should" survive on the streets.
But outside of cities, you're damn right. There was that one individual cat that is responsible for the extinction of multiple species!
Not sure how effective of a pest control cats are. And don't be mistaken on the role of cities as ecosystems. They can harbour birds a lot, especially with greenspaces.
Not the question.
We should just start eating humans. They are pointless and invasive and they eat meat as a choice.
I judge people who don't sever the notochord first. It's like the most basic respect you can offer.
I think the most basic respect you can offer an animal is to just not kill it.
That's fair. I accept that I am not the second coming, but I live in this world as best I can while still enjoying the comforts it offers
i don't think any living animal actively offers themself for your culinary pleasure.
Well there's that one guy that wanted someone to eat his penis or whatever. I believe he even paid.
Is this the guy who wanted to have gay sex before the cannibalism while the other guy was mostly just there for the cannibalism?
Then that guy got convicted for murder on a technicallity because the footage (they also recorded everything) showed that the guy whose penis was eaten had yet to die from bloodloss like he wanted?
I heard that one on a Redhanded podcast episode.
It doesn't actually kill them, and it's so small that you're likely to miss it anyway.
Babies don't have a notochord, though. It disappears earlier in fetal development in vertebrates.
So... We can eat babies then, right? Need an answer sooner than later.
You know, I've read that stabbing them through their head doesn't really kill them because they have distributed ganglia instead of one centralized brain.
You need to define what the word alive means first.
If you cut a roach's head, it stays sort of alive in that the body responds when trying to touch it or expose it to harm but it won't do anything if left alone. just standing still until eventual death.
A decapitated roach might still be able to "feel" pain but in my personal opinion - I am no expert in the matter - it doesn't feel stress, trauma or have bad memory of the incident. Just pain and an appropriate reflex to it.
In this context "alive" means "still able to feel and process pain."
How does the decapitated roach feel the pain? The processing unit has been disconnected from the source of pain.
No it hasn't been. Cockroaches, lobsters, and other arthropods have a decentralized nervous system. They have ganglia throughout their entire body instead of one centralized brain. These ganglia can react to stimuli independent of the other ones.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-cockroach-can-live-without-head/
So does this mean stab the lobsters or don't stab the lobsters? I was raised on the NE shore and have cooked hundreds of lobsters, I used to do the trick of putting them face down and stroking the spine, that would work ok but they wake up when you move them to the pot. I started stabbing the lobsters a few summers ago after a chef I worked with told me I should be, but I wasn't convinced it was a lot more humane and it's not fun if there's kids around lol.
I can't tell you for sure which is quicker or more painless. I'm not a marine biologist and even if I were I don't think I'd have the answer on another creature's consciousness. Personally I think it's really just cope and it's splitting hairs at that point. You just need to face the fact that you're killing and eating a living creature.
I've got no qualms with killing and eating something, I make an effort to dispatch those animals as quickly and humanely as possible, thus the question.
Yes, "decentralised", "can react to", but what about perceiving? That's what modern mortality cares about. Most plants react to stabbing but since there isn't any processing unit of such signals, we humans don't take moral punishment from doing so. We don't emphasize non-sensual creatures.
Honestly they may not be able to perceive in any way we would recognize. Arthropods are about as distant as you can get from humans while still being in the animal kingdom, were in Maine and they're in American Samoa. So while they most certainly perceive the question of sentience in the more traditional sense is up for debate, though there is at least one species of spider that has a proto-brain so it isn't universal.
I had a girlfriend like that once. It didn't work out. She did, fortunately, taste great with garlic butter so the relationship wasn't a total loss.
Sounds like something big boiling pot would say.
Nah, they usually say stuff like "That kettle is black!"
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