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good linux phones can't come soon enough
De-googled Android ROMs:
- GrapheneOS
- LineageOS
- /e/ OS
- Volla OS
Non-android, non-apple smartphones:
- Pinephone
- Pinephone pro
- Librem 5
- Volla Phone 22
- Jolla Phone
- FuriPhone FLX1s
And pretty much every feature phone out there (way too many to list)
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i have come to love just not owning a smartphone anymore.
World is way more of an adventure when you out and about without internet connection on you.
Wana know how to get somewhere? Find a map or ask someone.
Pay something? There is cash for that.
Wana take a picture? Just take a camera with you, because lets be real 99% of the pics in your smartphones camera roll wont get viewed ever again anyhow.
Wana meet with other people? Well make out a time and spot before u leave the house...
Wana be reachable to others while u out and about? Dont! Its a wonderfull feeling not to be.
Wana pass some time while waiting for someone/something? Bring a book.
Sure it may be inconvinient for others that you are not instantly reachable 24/7. But its a wonderfull feeling not to be. To comunicate on your own terms.
That's life before 2000, or even up to 2005 or like. Was not bad, really. Internet was slow and stuck in computers, astalavista, radium, emule and burning dvds The evolution of cellphones into smartphones was somehow a bad move for humanity
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Sounds wondeful, though it's not possible in some parts of the world. Here in Sweden you need a phone to use a lot of services, and very few places still accept cash as payment.
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Stolen from elsewhere:
You are not getting screwed on this. Google is just applying lube.
If some company did this with computers 20 years ago they would probably go bankrupt the next year. This is what happens when tech oligarchies are allowed.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy comparing this to some of the stuff Microsoft got in trouble for with Internet Explorer back in the '90s.
This is almost what apples infrastructure is....
The main difference is they (Apple) have been clear with their design choice since the beginning and they had their own market. Google is imposing this change on many users who did not want such an ecosystem to start with. But I suppose the market share of people who won't care about this will be large enough that they will survive, because they are a tech monopoly.
Is this actually 100% true?
I know Google/Android/Alphabet sucks but this seems over the top even for them.
Thanks. The xheet and this article are almost identical.
protective waiting period
triggers me. It only protects their business interests, because that's the biggest of the multiple hurdles that are all designed to disincentivize people from doing that.
Also read: security theater
I wouldn't go quite that far. It doesn't only protect their business interest; it definitely does achieve the goals they claim—like helping non-tech-literate users to avoid getting scammed with malware—it's just they're only doing it this way because it also aligns with their business interest.
To that end I'd contest the "Security Theater" label. All security measures are ultimately implemented in a way that defends the interests of the owners. It's just that people have forgotten or aren't aware that Proprietary Software means they're not the owners.
Of course if it was just about users' safety, the most effective way to help people avoid getting scammed is to educate them, but that would make people less dependent on Google and less susceptible to vendor lock-in, and people may even start having dangerous thoughts like "it sure is weird how many identifying traits of a scam are also just standard business practices for large corporations like Google."
I am not 100% clear on this. Is sideloading different from installing an APK from unknown source by simply taping on it?
No that is side loading, and they're making it more difficult
If I understood correctly, installing an app from any source that's not GooglePlay or the official app store of the device manufacturer is 'side loading' in that regard. Thus, this also applies to e.g. F-Droid or Aurora.
It should be just called installing, but they call it sideloading to make it sound shady and complicated.
Can anyone explain how this isn't an illegal monopoly? I'm genuinely curious
Because there are more iPhones in America.
Ignore that Apple also makes it impossible to side load apps.
I'm not criticizing you because that's the typical term, but we really need to stop calling it side loading. It's just installing. Calling it that makes it sound like something special and different.
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Apple was the canary in the coal mine for this behavior in the EU. Apple was forced to allow third party apps, so Apple mandated that everyone had to register with them, and pay them their yearly fee, and then developers had to pay Apple another fee (core technology fee, still double dipping), and governments were completely fine with that. (And developers will happily jump through more hoops to develop on iOS).
Google saw this and decided if they can, so can Google. And this technically is the easier of the two as at least this doesn't require every developer to register with Google this way.
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So what's the user experience like on an alternative OS?
Daily-driving SFOS for 6 years. AMA.
Do you use mostly Android apps?
I heard that the native browser is still some ancient Firefox fork. There is surprisingly little information about native apps anywhere, it strongly feels like they are mostly focusing on Android app compatibility. SailfishOS also has more closed source than I'd like to. Most often it does not end well.
I preordered the new Jolla phone, but after looking around the app side of things for a while, I cancelled. I'm not switching from Android to "sort of Android" -phone. If (or rather when, as I think it will happen) Google kills F-Droid and other ways to get apps, I will take another look on what's available. Ubuntu Touch maybe, but I understand their browser is also quite old, and that's one thing that should be up to date, at least, in my opinion. Or maybe just a dumb phone, and a separate camera. For maps, maybe a "prices-begin-from" Wahoo for finding routes. Sure, this approach will cost more, take more space, but I'm not going to go into the walled garden of Google or Apple.
About Jolla and SailfishOS, I am no expert. I ended up cancelling knowing that if I change my mind I will have to pay a lot of extra. Anyway, for the moment I am happy with my decision.
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Ok this sucks, but there is something that seems to be not implied. Wait one day, then confirm with biometrics, then decide if you want this only this time, or 1 week, or forever. You have to only deal with this one time if you choose forever (as long as you don't reinstall, I assume).
This is by no means ideal, but I think I'm ok with this. In a way I believe the rhetoric they are framing, to protect the vulnerable populace (e.g. the elderly) from frauds. For your phone, you can get the hurdle over one time, if you are installing for your parent you can do "don't ask me for a week, or ask me again everytime", so they don't install something malicious as part of a guided "tech support". Not saying that will prevent all and any spams but it will add some barrier. Just my opinion though, I could be off base with this.
I do wish that 1 day waiting was a bit shorter.
You're off base with this. Almost unbelievably so.
They know they aren't concerned with scams, why are you pretending? The move is to restrict competition and improve surveillance capacity as much as possible with as much legal protection as possible for Google. "Vulnerable people" don't typically know how to use F-Droid, and scammers would take a week to find out am effective alternative even if this was somehow their main tactic; which it is not and they did fine before it was an option.
I own my phone. I get to pick what is installed on it. The fucking mandatory Google apps were already too far, this is straight up telegraphing intent to commodify as much of my life as they can get access to. Even beyond how fucking bad this is for the overall health of tech development and sovereignty, I dont want a company that is complicit with a fascist state to force me or anyone else who would challenge that state to register our fucking identities with them. For all I fucking know, they'd get me thrown into a camp as readily as they'd cut off my access to pirated media. You think it's a coincidence they're doing this shit at the same time liberals and fascists are desperately trying to seize some kind of control over the internet? It's for grandma's safety? The fuck it is.
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Graphene os is a good alternative to android. Its privacy and security focused, and also does not come with google serviced preinstalled. The only problem is that its only supported on google pixels, and porting it to other devices is impossible.
Didn't I hear that they're planning to release graphene on Motorola?
Yes, that will be my next phone provided the price is decent and it has a headphone jack and everything else I need
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And then after doing all that you still need to confirm a scary warning every single time you install an app. As if it wasn't enough.
Openness was the primary reason I always stuck with android. Without that, fuck them. If I have no options I'm just gonna use Huawei.
Is it just me or do Linux phones not support 5g
The new Jolla phone does support it
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