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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by bad1080@piefed.social to c/linux@lemmy.ml

i had cachyOS installed for a couple of months but was plagued with random system freezes (only hard reset possible, no leads in journalctl). i tracked it down to an issue with the combination of wayland, KDE plasma and the kernel or at least that's what i could gather from web searches. i had at least one of those freezes per week, often more.

i am now on kubuntu which basically has the same combination of things (wayland and KDE) that should cause the problem but it has been running fine for three weeks, no freezes. so something with the cachy kernel didn't agree with my system.

i was now told i could use the arch kernel on cachyOS, which was news to me. i tried switching to the cachy LTS kernel but the issue persisted. i now wonder how does the compatibility of the linux kernel work? is it compatible because it is both arch linux? or would the kubuntu kernel also work on cachyOS?

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[-] Attacker94@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

I don't know how old your hardware is, but iirc cachyos's kernel specifically doesn't support older hardware, so it could be that it is just too old. If I were you I would try out endeavoros if you can deal with a little more technical package management or you could use the base arch kernel on cachy. Of course your switch to kubuntu should continue to work assuming it was a kernel issue, I just don't like canonicals vision.

[-] bad1080@piefed.social 1 points 7 hours ago

it's an 8th gen i5 8500

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 10 points 1 day ago

The kernels (and accompanying modules/drivers) are more or less freely interchangeable.

Bugs in the kernel are pretty rare in my experience. I think it's more likely that the bug was somewhere in KDE Plasma. Kubuntu's version should be older than the one on Cachy. On top of that Kubuntu has their own patches for KDE, so even if the version numbers are the same they are not the exact same programs. And on top of that the way they compiled KDE will be slightly different.

[-] bad1080@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Bugs in the kernel are pretty rare in my experience
i chalked it up to some kind of optimization that doesn't agree with my computer but that's just my head-canon

I think it’s more likely that the bug was somewhere in KDE Plasma. Kubuntu’s version should be older than the one on Cachy. On top of that Kubuntu has their own patches for KDE
interesting, distrowatch says plasma-desktop "6.4.5" for kubuntu 25.10 and "6.5.3" for cachy 251129 (the version i likely was on) so it is a possibility. (plus i feel like it started after an update)

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 3 points 1 day ago

Newest version is 6.6.something so maybe the bug is fixed by now.

[-] gens@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

Don't forget Mesa, the userspace part of graphics drivers. Also versions freely changeable.

[-] juipeltje@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's hard to say for sure what's causing the issue, but it's definitely possible that it's kernel related. I've never used cachyOS, but when i was still using Arch i've had issues with newer kernels multiple times. Switching to the LTS kernel would usually fix the problem though. I'm actually facing a weird issue myself right now on GNU Guix, where my pc has randomly rebooted itself multiple times over the past few weeks. My first thought was the kernel since Guix is also rolling release, but i haven't tried the LTS kernel yet because the nonguix substitute servers are having issues, so i would have to wait for it to compile lol.

Oh btw regarding your question, i don't know if cachy offers the regular arch kernel in its repos as well, but generally speaking kernels should be pretty compatible regardless of distro. You can also install the cachy kernel on NixOS for example.

[-] bad1080@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago
[-] adam@doomscroll.n8e.dev 4 points 1 day ago

I was experiencing similar issues under Manjaro. I couldn't tell exactly when it happened but attributed it to a kernel or other update.

Are you seeing anything in dmesg? I was seeing kernel ring timeouts just after booting (I don't know how it recorded them from before the freeze but it did). My searches led me to find that the Ryzen 5600 silicon had degraded just enough to be unstable. I could underclock it and it got a bit better but not fixed. In the end I replaced it with a new 5800 and the issues completely went away.

[-] bad1080@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

dmesg
i didn't know about it so i didn't check

My searches led me to find that the Ryzen 5600 silicon had degraded just enough to be unstable.
interesting but my cpu is the same on kubuntu so i doubt degradation is causing the issue

[-] ascend@lemmy.radio 3 points 1 day ago

Im having a similar issue on cachyos, but my screen freeze is recoverable by removing the HDMI to external monitor and waiting a bit, then the built in screen will come on and I can plug the HDMI back to continue. I haven't been able to narrow it down I just write down the time it happens and look at the journalctl but can't make sense of it

[-] bad1080@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

i didn't try that but does your audio loop the last ~second too? (all my monitors are external)

[-] ascend@lemmy.radio 2 points 1 day ago

No for me the audio would keep going like nothing happened. It was just the display that was stuck. Like I could alt tab or switch desktop and the audio would follow correctly and when the screen got unstuck it would be where it should

[-] bad1080@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

ah ok, different issue then

[-] BandanaBug@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

CachyOS has a handy kernel tool which let's you select what kernel you'd like to run. You can try and play with that.

[-] bad1080@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

i did try the LTS kernel but to no avail. i kept my fingers off the rest as i had no idea what i was doing.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

in your shoes: i would try distros/implementations without wayland or kde to rule those out as possible sources of the problem.

i know that ubuntu will let you switch to xservers, so kubuntu might let you as well.

[-] bad1080@piefed.social 1 points 7 hours ago

by not switching those and having no more freezes i ruled them out successfully, no?

[-] Harmonics041@feddit.uk 1 points 6 hours ago

You don't have to change distro to do this BTW just install a desktop environment that uses X11 instead of Wayland and try that. If it doesn't fix it you can uninstall it.

[-] bad1080@piefed.social 1 points 6 hours ago

i did switch to x11 on cachyOS and i had no freezes but i only tested it for a little over a week (because it uses a lot more power), so i might've gotten lucky idk.

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