How is "wait 24 hours before installing an app" Android less corporate/authoritarian than Windows? Plus most Android devices are stuck running Android whereas you can always replace Windows with Linux
I think they meant the AOSP but technically most people also call that Android
AOSP, the operating system that nobody actually installs on anything. It’s about as niche as could possibly be, considering the only reason you’d install it is to work on the code.
For aesthetic reasons the chart only allows one OS per square, and any other arrangement would put Windows dangerously low. At least Android is mostly open-source.
“Some people don’t like snap”. I had the suspicion is was most people don’t like snap.
No one significant; just security people, system architects, build/release people and support people, because of all the best-practice it breaks. Who cares about those chumps?!?
I'm yet to find a person who likes Snap, actually. Even if you prefer that way of installation, people just go to Flatpak.
I am a person who likes the snap package over some flatpaks. Mostly because the snap integration is sometimes better. Like handling copy/paste or notification bubbles.
Android is surveillance capitalism embodied
This is a much better version than the last one.
Needs TempleOS outside of the box
No ~~TempleOS~~ (never mind. It is there... but in the wrong place) no HannaMontanaLinux and you call it a meme? How dare you.
Likewise no jolla, considering Android is trying to create a walled garden like apple, and people are discussing alternatives lately
TempleOS is at the bottom left, at the margin
How the fuck did you manage to place Microsoft on a lower tier, Corporate-wise? They took the uber-corporatism that IBM had done and perfected it.
And if anything, Apple has been opening up for less corporatist approaches (okay, they're legally forced, but at least they're playing ball instead of forceful resistance).
at least they're playing ball instead of forceful resistance
Uh what the fuck? In every case they've gotten better at all a law has absolutely been required to force them. But typically they don't get better because typically with every new law they comply as maliciously as humanly possible.
You completely misunderstood what I said.
Yes, laws were required to make Apple do the logical thing. BUT the point is that instead of fighting those laws, Apple is actually implementing the required changes.
Meanwhile Google didn't just remove the "don't be evil" slogan, they're actively enshittifying Android year on year. Is that the example you want Apple to follow?
But malicious compliance is absolutely fighting the laws. Plenty of legal ways to be shitty. Turns out I understood you perfectly because you've just stated the exact point again which I specifically was disagreeing with. That apple is not fighting the laws. Even if we ignore the malicious compliance you can be sure they've spend hundreds of billions over the years trying to stop laws or enforcement of laws that protect apple customers from apple. (No one is saying Google isn't doing all of this too btw)
Is that the example you want Apple to follow?
I gotta say you don't seem the most informed on this topic. Are you not aware that nearly every issue people have with Google, outside of ad/privacy concerns, is something they copied from apple? Removal of ports, reducing repairability, etc. Also right now Google is effectively looking to kill third party app stores. Which apple did from the start. In fact when the EU passed a law requiring apple to allow third party app stores, they complied maliciously as fuck. They made it so expensive to do so that no developer could publish an app outside the apple store without literally losing money even if the app was free, they still owe a steep fee, every year iirc.
That top left hand corner could be filled with a selection of these: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
I think that GrapheneOS is an amazing underappreciated project and deserves more attention.
I think it's overappreciated. There are alternatives that better fit the needs of most users, support more phone models and are developed by people more responsive to their users' needs that Graphene.
GrapheneOS currently supports only Google Pixel devices because they are the only Android smartphones that meet all of its strict security requirements: an unlockable bootloader, proper verified boot implementation, state of the art security chip, and long-term, reliable security updates. Most other manufacturers either don’t provide these features or disable critical security functions when an alternative OS is installed.
But what I find particularly impressive is how efficiently the team operates: with likely fewer than 15 full-time developers, they consistently roll out updates within days, sometimes even ahead of Google’s official Android releases. I think the system is very balanced, a lot of the hardening stuff works in the background without really breaking anything. I had some troubles with very specific apps but most of the time it just works.
That said, their communication style and transparency can sometimes come across as aggressive or uncompromising. Pioneers in FOSS projects often prioritize progress and principle over diplomacy, and GrapheneOS is no exception.
i think the lower left square should probably be extended further. where's serenity? where's 9front? where's oberon?
come to think of it, you could probably put metas and microsofts internal linux distros in the top left. can't remember what they're called now, but they're niche and corpo as hell.
Where does Bazzite fit into this? (Sincerely, someone who wants to switch to either Bazzite or CachyOS and can't decide between them)
wedged in between cachy and fedora I would say
There's an argument that it would be between Fedora and Ubuntu, since being immutable makes it more locked down and you are beholden to the devs to push out important updates like drivers. Then again it is basicallt customized Fedora Atomic so if we're counting "Fedora" as an average of all Fedora versions, maybe not
I see this misconception all the time about Fedora Atomic distros. You can actually install any normal package available through the included repos, or add your own repo (rpm-ostree install $pkg). DNF can be used to add a repo from a URL and then you just use rpm-ostree install $pkg . It is really that simple.
The reason you aren't supposed to is that it makes the system diverge from the default image by overlaying the package. Still though, Fedora Atomic is just Fedora but container images for updates.
“Open source unlike iOS”
Lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU
https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macOS
AOSP hasn’t been a complete operating system in a long time, so don’t tell me Android is open source. It’s open source in the same way iOS is, the way that doesn’t matter.
To be fair though, you can build a more open android distribution like Graphene or Lineage, which you can't do with iOS. Still an awful platform though
Come back when they have user flash-able, daily drivable forks.
Lol.
This is absolutely terrible.
What about people who turned to w10 ltc as a compromise and to avoid w11?
I'd probably put that in the same row as W10, but in the box left of RHEL.
nixos is on the wrong side. literally funded by the United States' war machine.
excuse but GEOS where
Corporate+Niche quadrant could be populated with dead systems that only hobbyists use. Amusingly, there's too many to fit onto this chart.
Update: I now have nobara. Kept windows in case I dont like it on the long term or something goes wrong. Nobara looked kinda more "noob oriented" than cachy. Had some issue to launch games that were previously installed, did some random things and it worked.
Everything went much easier than I expected!
Debian as more mainstream than Arch?
Top choice for Linux server in many cases
All but my work computer (they don't let me) run some version of debian.
This is the biggest bait ever hahaha.
Android below red hat in corporate/authoritarian and equal to Ubuntu 😂 the OS that is trying to take away installing apps not from them and trying to fully track app developers while not giving a damn about malware that effects the user because it doesn't effect their bottom line?
Well, I guess AOSP vs Googles Android.
Am I the only one who thinks this doesn't fit for the most of all?
Apple upper left, Windows upper right, BSD down left and Linux down right. End of the story.
I'll be honest, I hate Windows 11 but the plethora of Linux distros as well as opinions on them gives me serious decision paralysis.
Just get a feel and poke around.
The moment one of those Linux users see that I said Ubuntu they’re going to froth at the mouth and lose their entire minds. It’s like their identity is tied to only using the most obscure, unpopular nonsense.
It’s easy enough - and the Snap store (app) is good enough for what you’d need. Its not the best in some situations, but if you’re not doing anything crazy and you just want to search web or whatever without all the surveillance and copilot slop being forced onto you - it’s a good start.
It’s a learning curve, but it’s not bad. I use Libre Office instead of MS Office now. Shortcuts and interface still fucks with me after growing up with MS Office products.
I dual boot Linux and windows on both my machines. When I game - I boot up windows. When I do anything else, I boot up Linux.
Seconded. Everyone shits on Ubuntu, but it's solid, well-supported, and is low-friction both for install and daily use.
It also has decent Nvidia support and Steam runs well on it, so (most) mainstream gaming is a real possibility here.
Ubuntu has also gotten a lot better and promising in recent years, too.
Except Snap shenanigans. Snap always shenanigans. The Snap pushing is eternal… Though Entrop is right that it’s mostly just a power-user worry.
Linux Mint is just Ubuntu but better, I strongly recommend it
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