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[-] Feyd@programming.dev 19 points 2 months ago

Chrome's team argues that because only about 0.02% of page loads use XSLT, it's not worth the maintenance burden.

Surely given the volume of browser usage, 0.02% is still a very substantial amount of usage. Lazy fucks

[-] Kushan@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I'm not entirely sure what the "maintenance burden" even is on a tech that hasn't changed in decades.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

From the article:

Google says it's removing XSLT to address security vulnerabilities. The underlying library that processes XSLT in Chrome (libxslt) is an aging C/C++ codebase with known memory safety issues. Chrome's team argues that because only about 0.02% of page loads use XSLT, it's not worth the maintenance burden.

It's debatable whether Google, with all its resources, really needs to do this, especially given that 0.02% of all page loads is still quite a lot. But there are certainly times when it's better to just delete seldom-used old code from your project to lower the maintenance burden and reduce the surface area for attacks.

Big tech has been straining the libxml2 dev who recently got annoyed with them. Instead of helping maintain the libraries they ship on billions of computers, Google is trying to reduce there use.

https://socket.dev/blog/libxml2-maintainer-ends-embargoed-vulnerability-reports

[-] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago

0.02% of page loads is honestly way more than I would've expected. The fact that they would look at that number and see an excuse to remove a feature like this is honestly a gigantic red flag for the way these browsers are being developed. Granted, it's not that surprising if you've been paying attention to the embrace-extend-extinguish march of web technologies towards a walled garden controlled by tech giants, but this is part of the writing on the wall, folks.

[-] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

RSS is enabled by default on every WordPress install. That's a big part of it.

[-] pirate2377@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 months ago

Wait, browsers still had RSS support? I thought that was deprecated a decade ago. I've been using dedicated apps for them

[-] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Vivaldi does. I assume there are chrome and Firefox plugins too.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 10 points 2 months ago

Xslt has nothing to do with RSS being available or not.

[-] confuser@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

It seems to have to do with how it looks formatting wise and not about availability or not, that is what is being meant.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 3 points 2 months ago

That's just for those few websites that use their RSS feed as their content source. If they want to keep doing that they can just get a JavaScript library that provides XSLT functionality. The feed itself is untouched.

"Yay more JavaScript" said nobody

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 points 2 months ago

It's really hard to decide whether XSLT or JavaScript is worse. On the one hand XSLT wasn't cobbled together in a weekend. On the other it requires you to write XML and its "arrays" start at 1.

[-] _wizard@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

So things like newsbreak who ingest a sites feed then display?

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Should be fine. They don't have to use a browser to retrieve that feed.

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago

YouTube broke my RSS feed for YouTube subscriptions by breaking how embedded videos works.

Now when I try to click on videos in my RSS feed it just gets me "Error 153" every time.

It's so frustrating!

I'm currently using Feedbro on Firefox (the add-on hasn't been updated in 2 years) but if anyone has any recommendations that don't get that error I'm all ears!

[-] ishartdoritos@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 months ago

These days you can probably vibe-code yourself the perfect RSS extension or even standalone app.

Might give it a shot actually.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

i browsed the web via RSS for a while. Maybe it's time to get back to that. at least for some food blogs or something. anyone got a good rss reader?

[-] Matth@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Feeder on Android. Default choice I would say.

[-] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

I like miniflux. Lightweight, web based, selfhostable, assisted hosting and compatible with third party clients.

[-] USSEthernet@startrek.website 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Same, minflux is simple and very lightweight. I just use a web app on my phone to read it. Still very responsive.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 1 points 2 months ago

+1 for Miniflux, super nice and it has a polished interface.

You can also access it through third-party apps such as NewsFlash (for Linux) or NetNewsWire (for mac, you just need to enable "Google Feeds APIs" in Miniflux for that).

[-] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I use FluentReader, and an extension that restores Firefox's old RSS functionality.

Edit: The extension I use is called Livemarks

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

i currently use firefox. mind sharing that extention with us please?

[-] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago
[-] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

I'm blanking on the name rn, but I'll let you know ASAP

[-] flameleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Thunderbird. It feels right at home paired with Firefox, and has extremely powerful message filtering built in.

[-] osanna@lemmy.vg 0 points 2 months ago

if you want self hosted, FreshRSS is the gold standard.

[-] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago

FreshRSS

It's vibe coded. :(

[-] osanna@lemmy.vg 2 points 2 months ago

Ugh. Is there anything that’s NOT vibe coded :/

[-] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah, it's a real pity. Even Dokuwiki, which was rock solid for ages, is plagued by it.

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago

It's sad to see how browser manufacturers have been treating RSS for a while. Back in the day your Firefox would show you that a page has an RSS feed. You were able to click on it, see what was in there in human readable, not cryptic-XML style format, and you were able to subscribe to it. Then you had a nice little bookmark showing you everything this page had posted recently. RSS is a great technology and it really really sucks how Big Tech has tried to kill it.

[-] JuvenoiaAgent@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago

I remember using XSLT to make my site's RSS look good around 20 years ago. I thought it was so cool, though XSLT was awful to write.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

XSLT is a fucking curse upon all who learned it.

it deserves to be lost and forgotten.

[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

There are libraries that can polyfill this with almost zero effort. List should not effect any active site that offers rss feeds.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

Who TF is still using XSLT?

Good riddance.

[-] smh@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

We use it at my library/archive to convert EADs (XML finding aids) into something we can present to a human.

This change breaks something that's been working for us without issue for over a decade, and it's personally a PITA because I'm the only dev-adjacent person in the library and fixing this takes me away from other stuff. (I'm spread thin and we've been in a hiring freeze for 5 years. I love my coworkers but there's so much work stuff I have to deprioritoze in order to do the important stuff, it feels unfair when a big corporation decides to break something on me.)

[-] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

You just need literally anything else other than the native browser to do it no?

[-] smh@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 months ago

I can't guarantee an online researcher/visitor has anything other than a browser and I sure as heck don't want to walk them through installing something on whatever machine they're using. I do enough tech support as it is.

Current plan is to have the web server do it, it's just another thing on my plate that I need to figure out how to do.

[-] Giloron@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

XSLT can be run on the web server. The browser just receives the output HTML.

[-] vortexal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

I'm a little confused about this. While I've been using RSS feeds for several years, my only experience with RSS feeds is with Inoreader. Will this cause issues with the way that I've been using RSS feeds or will I be unaffected?

[-] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

Only if you're using the Chrome extension, maybe. This is just Google trying to kill even the memory of Google Reader by fucking with the biggest competitor to social media in Chrome.

[-] brianary@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

Sites can just use CSS.

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