Linux becoming mainstream would be a trap too... It will lead to the enshitification of the distros as they get more and more watered down to satisfy the average dumbass using it.
... to satisfy the average dumbass using it
we all have to start somewhere
Yes, and we all got by fine with things the way they have mostly been. The last thing we should be advocating for is this stupid trend of removing features and calling it "user friendliness"
Give the user the ability to torch their system - it's up to them whether they want to use things they can't handle or not. Not up to the devs to baby-proof the software and strip abilities away from capable users.
Its not really something that can be avoided other than political change. Or moving to a different country. Its not a linux problem its a facism problem.
How the fuck is Linux a trap compared to the shenanigans of Microsoft?
Microsoft and other proprietary vendors are the trap, and Linux is the way to avoid it.
I agree with you, that's exactly what my post says.
Microsoft is the trap. My point is that "Sanitised Linux" is just Microsoft-style shenanigans being forced onto our ecosystem via regulation. I literally started the post by saying Linux is the only sanctuary left.
OK I read it as Linux won't cut it if we are forced to use Microsoft.
Microsoft will of course do everything possible to create that situation, as they've been doing very successfully since the 80's.
Linux is the only sanctuary left
Acktually there is still some Free and Open Source BSD variants. And for the lols we also have GNU Hurd. So even a world without Linux, does not mean we have to use Windows. (I don't even count MacOS.)
But here’s the thing, nobody knows what operating system you choose to install. This regulation will be equally as effective as anti-pirating legislation has been, which is to say, essentially nil.
Ive been running Linux for close to a decade now and one thing that I've noticed is rarely brought up in Linux circles is that Linux Kernel Development is heavily funded by major big tech corpos. Examples include Microsoft, Google, Oracle, and IBM.
There is a vested corporate interest in keeping Linux well maintained as it is the OS that underpins the vast majority of corporate server architecture and infrastructure.
I'm not saying Linux development wouldn't exist without them, but imho, Linux certainly wouldn't be as ubiquitous as it is today without this corporate backing. Thusly, it is worth noting that in many ways, we Linux users have not escaped corporate influence simply from switching from Windows or MacOS to Linux.
We've maybe lessened it to some degree, but to think we are somehow immune to the misguided mandates from state governments, like the latest recent age verification laws, is misguided.
Guess you wanna maintain your own patchset then? Because that's what freedom takes - building on the shoulders of giants and corpos, but also scrubbing the spyware off down into the kernel.
i think linux emphasizes the advantage of being able to fork code without the bad parts in this case.
the problem is they will probably target the infrastructure our linux machines connect through, or the services themselves as we've already started seeing.
i've been interested in those decentralized long range radio networks lately, for no particular reason.
Here's one way that liberal fascism maintains control:
It's how they got TikTok, etc. It's how they'll try to get Lemmy, Linux, VPNs, etc. The wild part is how many lib "allies" will fully support this.
Yes, it's a trap like everything else. It's another front in the struggle.
you are absolutely correct in what you are getting at, i just chuckled when you went like "here's how they maintain control: they maintain control"
The floor here is made of floor
Just to underscore what you said, this is achieved in FOSS via control of non-profit orgs & a monopoly on consumer chip architecture (for the time being)
The fascists' weakness is their extreme overconfidence in everything they do.
Yeah "will to power" isn't real. You end up hunting for the Holy Grail and shit
TikTok was a data harvesting surveillance tool from day one. It didn't need to be 'got'
That stupid Newsom age-gating OS bill is pure political theatre. It won't affect Linux -- too many capitalists would be inconvenienced, and inconveniencing capitalists is the last thing capitalist darling Newsom would do; he couldn't even be bothered to support a modest 5% tax on billionaires.
Linux is here to stay -- it runs the internet. And it will always be customizable, because that's part of what gives it so much value.
This is why shaming the idiots who say things like "what's the big deal, it's just a field in a text file" is so important. They need to be made to understand that solidarity is required to resist the tyrants.
shaming the idiots
solidarity is required
Your team building tactics could use some work.
-An idiot
tbf shaming can be a good tactic, in some specific situations.
Their building a Prison System ™️ regardless, open source (e.g. Linux) just offers SOME protections.
We have to do more regardless, but it's still all part of the good fight in my book
That legislation is pushed by big tech lobbies, mainly Meta. The more people use open source the less power those big companies have to push shit like this.
Also we've had attempts to microslopify Linux before, by the hands of Canonical and Red Hat.
I think if Linux becomes something for the masses it will no longer be for me. So I'm hoping that won't happen.
End users just want their hand to be held by some kind of corporation. Happy to give up their information and privacy. To have no choices in interface etc.
Basically, Linux for the masses will look exactly like ChromeOS. Completely unusable for a power user with a need for privacy and control.
Meh it's not like Linux is one static block of immutable code.
It's modular.
So it's not like all linux distros will evolve the same way. And OP points it out that some distros are affected by age verification laws while others are not at all.
So I think it makes no sense to panic and thinking all linux will converge to some Windows ersatz...
I think the fact there is so many distros out there is our strength but also what prevents people from discovering the right linux for them.
So this will be the year of linux discovery imo and all linux user should help out new users finding their way to a linux that fit them for their journey to freedom.
Not really but you do see already that Linux is becoming more opinionated. For example recently kde introduced a new display manager (to replace sddm) that requires systemd.
It's becoming harder to get off the beaten track.
I had similar thoughts, but at the same time i honestly think that wouldn't be an issue because of the nature of linux and it being free and open source. There's bound to be distros out there that won't conform to whatever bs the corpos come up with.
ChromeOS is basically the blueprint for the "Gold Cage". My real worry is that "security" is just becoming a convenient excuse to swap user ownership for corporate control. Once that "masses" version becomes the legal standard for compliance, the rest of us are basically looking at digital exile.
The issue with Linux is going to be if there will be a single distro that dominates or if it will be more distributed. Right now, it looks like Google and Valve are the closest to making dominant distros, but I can see at least one EU government one being created as well. If there are few distros, then I can see development getting locked to those distros rather than across all Linux.
The same thing happened with Android, Google ended up controlling Android so the open source side got hollowed out and the closed source side controlled by Google became necessary to running Android.
What people don't realize is, that every year is the Year of Linux Desktop. We just beat the previous year. It's like having a new world record every year.
and by a lot, if the latest 5% on steam statistic turns out to be reliable.
Year of linux?
Dude, please. I'm on my third decade of the thing already.
It's just the buzz-word of FOSS enthusiasts.
It is a myth, always has been. But the worry isn't the "Year of Linux" happening, it's the corporate version of it being forced on us via regulation.
How would anyone place a 100% community driven distribution like Debian in such a cage? There's no monetary leverage, the community is truly international, so local laws don't apply .....
Please note that it's also one of the most prolific distributions, and the foundation p.e. for *buntu.
If you're living in an oppressive jurisdiction, your employer might obviously not allow you to use a truly free operating system, but that's hardly Linux's fault.
So if your favorite distribution is starting bullshit, just switch to the next one, there are literally thousands of them. That's why "Year of the Linux desktop" is confusing: it's "year of steamOs" or "year of *buntu", probably even "year of Debian", but most certainly never "year of the nixos desktop".
You have choice. Use it.
My real worry isn't that Debian will cave, but that the services we use every day—banks, government sites, DRM-heavy media—will start checking for a "compliant" kernel. If those "invisible borders" get built, you might have a truly free OS that's effectively useless for 90% of the modern web.
It's not about the distro failing; it's about the "compliant" versions becoming the only key to the door. We have the choice now, but the gap between "free" and "functional" is definitely getting wider.
will start checking for a “compliant” kernel.
Reminds me of all the banking apps that rely on Google's "secure" crap to run.
How would anyone place a 100% community driven distribution like Debian in such a cage?
By getting the Debian deciding body to approve systemd a while back, for starters.
It's apparently very easy.
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