Thank god for this comm. I feel like I’m going sane in a crazy world outside of here.
what do you call me then, who thinks that money is a scam and we don't need it?
An anarchist?
Not to be that guy, but if there wasn't money, we'd be trading ten chickens for a table, or two tables for a cow. The concept of money is merely making the logistics of trade transactions more convenient, which barter trading doesn't allow.
Or you know, we’d be meeting everyone’s need for wellbeing without expecting it to be a transactional process.
Even though hunter gatherer societies are generally egalitarian, they still do material transactions.
Luckily we don’t want to return to hunter gatherer societies. Gift economies exist, where the expectation is people take what they need.
there's also the star trek way. Working for the betterment of both ourself and society.
Star Trek still has latinum, it's just not used for things like food or rent so you don't really have to care about it and are free to pursue whatever you actually want to do.
Me: No one should work.
me: no one should HAVE to work. I feel like people would still do stuff even if they didn't have to. they'd just do LESS of it.
Forbidden to work. Only allowed to stare into the distance. But not too hard
Too much work.
People should do stuff, but the paradigm of 'work' is fucked.
People do stuff all the time. But being forced to look at clocks and wear pants is inhumane.
More the insane authoritarian inefficiencies. Clocks are useful for some stuff. I would rather my fire fighters wore pants. On the job at least. Probably my chefs. I think id rather my programmers stuck to skirts shorter than their dicks and fur suits, but thats purely a selfish desire for working computer.
Any society that makes me look at a clock isn’t one I want to be a part of. Minutes are an illusion. Hours doubly so.
Baking without clocks is really hard.
Not really. In fact, due to pressure and temperature variances waiting until the dough has risen by double is better than using a fixed time. And you can smell when bread is done.
They baked without clocks for millennia.
They did, but 'baker' was like one of the highest skill jobs around for most of that. 'risen by double' is a rough rule for some kinds of leavening.
you can smell when
Sometimes. Often with especially thick loaves the cooking isn't done until a while after it's left the oven as internal heat continues to disperse.
And yet they did it with nary a clock in sight.
That makes it really fucking hard. Im already not good at that shit.
That's already good if it's followed with the clause, 'to escape poverty or an equivalent disadvantaged situation in a society.'
You don't have to be wealthy, but all basic needs should be provided along with the means of finding employment that satiates a person. Granted, some people do still need intervention but not from a sterile or disconnected environment but from a community that is willing to engage with them.
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