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Relations between the U.S. and the Catholic Church have not been the same since January, when senior U.S. defense officials shared an abrasive message with a Vatican official.

Days after Pope Leo XIV delivered his State of the World speech, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre, the Vatican's U.S. representative, to a closed-door Pentagon meeting for a bitter lecture.

"The United States," Colby said, according to a blistering new report by The Free Press, "has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side."

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[-] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Guys fucking delusional 🤣 we’ve seen how well that works over the last 50 years.

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Bananskal@nord.pub 16 points 3 weeks ago

That context though... Thanks for that!

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

In this day and age, literally anything sounds like it could be true, so I try to take some especially inflammatory things with a healthy grain of salt.

Also, with a suspiciously generic name like "Free Press", you bet I'm looking at your credentials!

[-] tal@lemmy.today 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

https://catholicvote.org/pew-poll-52-of-catholics-including-61-of-white-catholics-back-trump-over-harris/

Pew poll: 52% of Catholics including 61% of white Catholics back Trump over Harris

Should be interesting to see how that plays with the electorate.

EDIT: Also, I don't have my finger on the pulse of the Catholic Church in the US, but the current pope, Leo XIV, was the first born in the US. I know that John Paul II, Polish, was the first Polish pope and was highly-regarded in Poland, and I can imagine that there might be a similar effect in the US among American Catholics.

[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Catholics are not the major Christian group, it's 2nd place in the US. 69% of US residents claim to be Christian, 45% of which Christians claim to be Protestant while only 22% of which say Catholic (Gallup 2020). It's regional too, I beleive centered around Italian and Irish immigrant communities, or at least the suburbs around where those city diasporas used to be. Protestants specifically do not give a shit about the pope.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

Evangelicals are the most vocal, and they are very much opposed to the Pope.

[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

Are US protestants the same as UK Anglicans? Like is it the same church? I thought for sure most US Christians were nutjob baptists or other what would similarly fringe sects anywhere else in the world. Wait, are baptists protestants?

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Anglicanism is sort of Protestantism. It forked off of the Catholic Church after the start of the Protestant Reformation, but wasn't really part of the movement. The king of England at the time specifically had a problem with the Pope and essentially took over the churches in England, keeping the Catholic traditions and power structure but changing the head of the faith from the Pope to the king. The English monarch is still officially the head of the Anglican Church.

Americans are very much not Anglican and many of the people who emigrated to the colonies were religious minorities from proper Protestant groups.

[-] mech@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

The king of England at the time specifically had a problem with the Pope

Didn't he essentially found a new religion so he could get a divorce?

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Trump makes himself the new head of the Church of America

Calling it now.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Now I understand: Mom was devout Christian, & we went to Anglican churches, until Dad ditched us, then Catholic ones..

Finally I understand the 1st Christianity I was brought-up in..

Thank you for your explanation.

It clarifies why Protestantism always seemed .. broken, somehow: I'd only ever known Anglicanism & Catholicism, so my view wasn't as diverse as I'd assumed.

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[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Alright, so I had to check my understanding. Yeah, that's all Protestantism, but they're all different and all disagree with each other. Baptists are the largest single Protestant group in the US, overlapping to classic original southern US states. Honestly, I thought Protestants were a distinct group but I guess the group I'd assume them to be would actually be Lutherans, assuming they're adherent to the original protesting Martin Luther.

[-] Rothe@piefed.social 4 points 3 weeks ago

The Episcopalians are the American Anglicans, which is a Protestant denomination. But Baptists, Evangelicals, Presbyterians, Lutherans and lots of others are also American Protestant denominations.

[-] runblack@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

I think you're correct: Most of US protestants are nutjob baptists in fringe sects. It seems there was a reason for the religious persecution of the puritans...

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 30 points 3 weeks ago

The pope could do the funniest thing rn and call a crusade on the US

[-] Nikelui@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Why bother? Just excommunicate the usual suspects, and watch the cognitive dissonance of the ultra-catholics.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

Please, I've been wanting this since he killed the last pope 😭😭😭

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago

In what fucking world does it make sense that i ally myself with the pope. I hate this timeline

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

“The United States,” Colby said, according to a blistering new report by The Free Press, “has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.”

Yes, you have lots of guns and bombs and you're very big and strong. But the Pope was offering a moral criticism. You know, about morality, doing the right thing. Have you or your "Christian" colleagues ever heard of it? Turns out it doesn't often align with who is most eager and equipped to kill anyone who looks at them the wrong way. Even Jesus (heard of him?) had a thing or two to say about that.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's funny:

The end-times prophecies are clear-as-day, now, & they WHO ARE WALKING INTO IT are ignoring the consequences??

Here's the 1st-Seal thing, with the Time of Conquering, & the Conqueror ( Trump's ONLY addiction )

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+6%3A1-2&version=CJB

& here's the prophecy about Trump's "mortal head wound" & pending "miracle cure"..

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13%3A3&version=CJB


The funny part?

IF their 2nd Coming appears .. he'd be war-incarnate against them ( the guy-on-white-horse-with-double-edged-blade-of-Cutting-True-Speech-projecting-from-his-mouth ), fighting "the beast", which they hold to be "lord"..

they don't even know their own prophecies.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+19%3A11-15&version=CJB

THAT guy would be the LAST thing those abomination-loyal ones would want to see coming into our world!

( caveat: John of Patmos was filtering everything through his unconscious-mind, so the distortions are .. kinda rampant. Jung & I both experienced the same kind of distortions, in our VISION-dreams. I've no idea if that King of Kings guy is 1st-Seal, aka The Great Filter's 1st Yang Stage, XOR if it's later in humankind's "cell-division", splitting between the murder-life-for-authority's-lordhood kind & the LivingSpirit-loyal kind, the WAR stage, which should begin in 7-ish years, after the Regional Consolidation Time is finished, or if it's in the 3rd stage, the no-food-chain-left stage, where people are living off of greenhouses like Silent Running ( movie ) had, but on Earth..

The fundamental point, though, is that anybody doing what Hegseth's doing, to bring the 2nd Coming .. pouring "blood and destruction" into the world .. is warring against that guy in the 3rd biblical-reference, above. )

Interesting Times!

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PS: I'm calling this pope Good Pope Leo, because from what I can see, he is: & I'm not Catholic.

_ /\ _

PPS: I just read the beginning of that chapter, & it looks-like that's the stuff for the 2070's, NOT for this end of "the tribulation"/"armageddon"/The Great Filter, so .. no point in getting our hopes up.

_ /\ _

[-] metalsd@eviltoast.org 18 points 3 weeks ago

I'm starting to believe JD isn't a true believer of his religion 🤡

[-] klu9@piefed.social 17 points 3 weeks ago

"How many divisions does the pope have?"

  • ~~Joseph Stalin~~ Peter Hegseth
[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

This fool Hegseth tried to divide by ~~zero~~ pope 🙄

[-] bluegreenpurplepink@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Six of our nine Supreme Court Justices are Catholics.

[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

As catholic as 5 year old croissants left outside in the dirt are

[-] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Eh does that mean these been to the island?

[-] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah not the usual breed are they? I’m from a catholics family and the horrors they enable are absolutely alien to the principles I grew up with. They whole of them would be ripe for hell if that was a thing…

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, the old Might Makes Right mantra!

This one predates humanity itself, or even cellular lifeforms. I wonder why the Cardinal did not know this? Oh well, at least now he has been reeducated, so all should be well!

[-] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 9 points 3 weeks ago

There you have it, if you had any doubts that the US has been taken over by a bunch of crazy people. In their words, they can do whatever they want, but they barely accomplish a thing.

[-] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Barely accomplish a thing?

What are you talking about?! Didn’t you see that the Dow was over 50,000 for a time period? Why are you laughing?

Trump was also gifted a glorious jumbo jet that we are using as Air Force One for the remainder of his term! And afterward, they said (on record by the way) it will be donated to the Trump Library! That’s how much they respect us!

And also, we ended the Iran war that they started! Look what they made us do to them! And we got— uh… what did we get again for winning? Anyway, we won and the straight thingie, the thing that we need to open? Hormel reopened (and they’re great by the way), where we put the oil is now ready to oil for us less price gas for all Americans now hence. We’re winning for days, so the Catholic Church needs to pick a side - and from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!

[-] obvs@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I remember in the last book of the Bible it always talks about the very Christian one world government.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

Idiot sub-adolescents thinking they're smart

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

MAGA has no concept of soft power. They just don't get it, do they?

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

"Might makes right" authoritarianism has no use for it. Why bother with getting people to like you when you have all the guns? Besides, these troglodytes are a pretty unlikable bunch in the first place - it's simply not how they navigate the world.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

"You can do anything you like with bayonets, except sit on them" Talleyrand, circa 1815

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Well, they're clearly aware enough to feel threatened by it, given that that's all the power the Vatican holds

[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The idea seems to be to use the hard power to make the soft power go away.

It doesn't work like that of course, but fascists are gonna fascist.

[-] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

It's cool. None of this really matters anyways with the whole separation of church and state.

[-] Slashme@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

That sounds like something that an envoy of Sauron would say. Does Colby really think he's one of the good guys?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

LOL

It's fascinating that the Pope gets threatened for being critical of Donald, and not, you know, facilitating an international child trafficking ring.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

~~Pope Leo XIV~~ Pope Bob

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