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So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what's left of free speech and expression.

Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.

SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now's that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Those are not contrary, but complementary things.

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[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago

Or a parent could, I don't know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.

[-] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I got so many downvotes last time I suggested this, it was just comical to me how many people get pissed at the implication that they aren't watching their kids, while not watching their kids.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago

To paraphrase someone:

You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.

Anyone thinking that this won't pass this time, or next year, or the year after that or the year... They will push this as a new thing, wrapping the same bullshit lies in a new paper each time...

Eventually it'll pass, it always does. All they need is patience

The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.

[-] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

we're due for a modern re-framing on rights and personal autonomy.

but we might need to design it fully as local coops and roll over the epstein-class in order to get it enshrined.

if you let them change it, they'll, (as obtusely as possible,) re-phrase everything to not actually accomplish what it was supposed to.

we need big changes, and we need them yesterday, because the future is here and it's fucking us all up. the only people with the time and social placement to affect change are the ones that have been coddled into that position through either nepotism or corporate interest. yadda.

still need voter reform... hopefully the next people voted in specifically on voter reform don't just go "oops actually we weren't for that at all, hee hee." (canadian liberal party are also just the backup conservatives i guess)

and my god, there should be some accountability for directly lying to and misleading the voter base. the number of USA politicians i see that can't answer a fucking question is embarrassing to anyone thinking they don't live in a fascist state.

like, those promises, or statements, or blatant intentional incompetence should come with some form of accountability. if i fuck up too many lattes i have to live on the street, but politicians can laugh in your face after doing fuckall and taking your money.

generally anyone willing to take a position of power to hugely affect all of our lives and well being should be scared shitless for betraying their voters so blatantly.

more than anything we just need a whole new damned system which is built on modern science and not hundred years ancient aristocracy. it is possible. the only reason it doesn't seem feasible is that the people with power and influence have been spending a weird amount of their excess ensuring that the system doesn't enable or benefit anyone outside of the epstein class.

yadda yadda rant rant, i'm tired.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.

We Europeans are well aware because of the Chat Control that they are trying to push here.

We have to be vigilant and fight every fight.

Never give up.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.

Our constitution? They've got that thing hanging from a nail in the shithouse.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 18 points 1 month ago

No it wont. Because we're gonna light shit on fire until this goes away, ICE melts, and the hostages are released from the internment camps. Right?

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

lol. americans don’t do shit

[-] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My guy, people have been out in the streets ripping people out of the hands of ice

I get its fun to be cynical in the current moment but americans have absolutely been doing shit. I know, because there are folks in my community organizing, and they're doing so in the image of other community organizing efforts across the country

If you're reading this go find a way to get involved IRL. Meet your neighbors. Join food not bombs or a soup kitchen. Get involved in ice watch. Find your local DSA or PSL chapter and see if they're people there and projects that you feel like you can build with. See if you have a local SRA chapter. See if your area has any tool libraries or community gardens you can participate in. Lots of states have a stop cop city, or stop detention centers project, go see if your area has one you can get involved with. People only do shit if people like YOU decide its worth doing

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[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Generally you’re correct, but the string of warehouse fires over the past week all across the country has me hopeful that folks are finally hitting the long long long long long overdue breaking point.

[-] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Fires? Plural?

I only know of the one.

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[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago

"Parents Decide Act"

Yet text of it has basically nothing about parents in it, just government data collection lol

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

that's just another American Value, naming bills as sarcastically and ironcally as possible

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.

[-] Asafum@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

And written by a Democrat.

They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don't give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.

The most we get are a handful of "representatives" that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn't enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(

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[-] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 7 points 1 month ago

They're bought and paid for by basically all the big industries just like the GOP.

[-] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

I don't think they think they're an opposition party, and they certainly wouldn't oppose mass surveillance. They never have.

[-] lemonskate@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I've seen a lot of people saying how this will be unenforceable and so isn't something we need to worry about.

Except this could be enforced. Google came out with a proposal a few years ago for a method of validating the a request came from a "trusted" (aka, signed and with secure boot enabled OS), ostensibly to combat bot traffic. They dropped it after push back, but it still provides a blueprint for how this could be enforced.

https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/Web-Environment-Integrity

If web platforms are mandated by law to enforce something like this then the web could be effectively restricted to only approved operating systems. There could still be a dark web, but with the weight of the law behind it, once anything gained momentum access to it could be shut down at the service provider layer.

This shouldn't be dismissed as a threat because it's "unenforceable", because it is.

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[-] lemmyng@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

https://5calls.org/

Tell your reps that this bill doesn't get a chance to breathe if they ever want your support in future elections.

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[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago
  1. This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about "protecting children" and it never has been. It's always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.

  2. If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Meta is pushing this because their platforms are overrun by bots. Ironically because partly of the AI tools they have created. And advertisers have caught up and aren’t willing to pay top dollars anymore on Meta’s platforms. Hence why Meta desperately wants a way to proof that their traffic comes from real people.

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[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 1 month ago

Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.

Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war

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[-] minorkeys@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Remember when windows implemented a feature that took a screenshot of your PC every 5 seconds or whatever? Now they know exactly whose screenshots those are and basically surveille your PC use as if watching from behind your back? Yeah...we know what they want. They want to effectively disarm our ability to use computers to challenge them. God knows what they're planning to implement after this goes through. It's not just about the laws they're passing, it's about what those laws enable them to do. Sure windows rolled back that feature, but it's still there. They didn't remove the code, they just changed what triggers it and if the PC user knows or not.

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[-] ranoss@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It’s worth writing your reps!! There’s usually an easy way to contact them via their website

[-] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Using parental control is too hard so leave it to the government huh

what a fucking joke

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[-] hackitfast@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Disgusting. This is my representative, I unfortunately voted him in.

Our president is a pedophile and we still get the "for the children" bullshit. How about making a law requiring tracking the data on the Epstein class phones instead?

I sent a letter to him, hopefully enough people do.

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[-] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

I see how this is bad from a privacy standpoint, but how does it affect device ownership?

[-] paladin235@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I would argue it does not directly or obviously impact device ownership. However, to the best of my knowledge, it would be the first time that the US Government has publicly required a specific set of features for consumer software.

To make matters worse, this is an Operating System level requirement, which means it has more permissions than any other piece of software you run. Every device you run today has an Operating System of some kind, so this bill could impact all devices.

So, I think the conclusion that you no longer own the device stems from the fact that it has software on it doing things and collecting information you did not approve. For normal people, there will be no way to avoid it. Tech savvy users will of course find ways to dodge it unless there are enforcement mechanisms and penalties that are sufficiently punitive.

Definitely not a path we should be going down if we actually cared about freedom, much less privacy. Not to mention, this opens up the whole “slippery slope” argument for more direct government control over software.

[-] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

It could be a dangerous path indeed, giving the government full access to your phone. I'm not sure the bill says that though.

But I think most people already do... A huge bunch of apps collect everything they can on you; tiktok used to be the worst. I wouldn't trust a government less than a private company.

I dunno, maybe forcing companies to put (or remove) specific features on their software could set an interesting legal precedent: it could be used to stop companies from pushing features people don't want or designing apps with dark patterns.

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[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

If you don't control it, you don't really own it. Modern cars can be remotely disabled on the whim of the car maker. Is it really YOUR car if someone else can cripple it or completely disable it without your permission?
It's already the case with your phone if you use OEM OS: manufacturers can do pretty much whatever they want remotely.
Now it's the turn of the computers: either it has a "compliant OS" (remotely controllable by 3rd party), or you will be cut off a growing part of basic use.

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[-] LostWanderer@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago

We will keep defeating these nasty bills, we have to keep pushing and not just giving into what the government wants. As what the government wants is nasty as fuck! There will be means to circumvent such changes, Ageless Linux is working on categorizing the methods of evasion, keeping track of what Linux distros are deciding and doing in regards to Age Verification.

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[-] osanna@lemmy.vg 5 points 1 month ago

I don't wish to live on this planet anymore :/

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

The app "5 calls" is free, free of ads, and free of tracking. It will provide you with the phone numbers and emails of your representatives and senators. It will also provide you scripts so that you can speak directly on each potential topic. You can also set up daily, weekly, or monthly notifications to remind you.

[-] qaeta@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Parents ALREADY decided. They decided they didn't give enough of a shit to use the parental controls already available to them. No legitimate reason to push this shit on everyone else.

[-] Inucune@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

These companies made parental controls abysmal to use, so they can count children's traffic as adult viewers for ad revenue(on both sides of the bill).

[-] grumpusbumpus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Obligatory: the Democrats are not here to save you.

Fascism with a smug smile instead of a sneer.

[-] someone@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I disagree with all of you. Now that our benevolent theocratic autocratic overlords have decided to track everything we say and do and escape is impossible, I completely support their brave new dystopian agenda. All hail the wonderful leaders!

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[-] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

still have no idea how they will implement this, with phones that can be rooted or running something like lineageOS or others.

But in any case, I am glad I am not from the US.

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