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'North Korea sent 1 million rounds of artillery to Russia' (timesofindia.indiatimes.com)

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[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 43 points 1 year ago

And where is NK getting that material/technology from? NK is building rockets and military equipment since decades in numbers and quality that there is no doubt that chinas hand is in there and using it as a proxy to militarize authorian regimes at will, without getting their own hands dirty. China itself can not send weapons to ukraine without mudding their global stance. But that one weird uncle in the north is perfect as an outlet for military equipment to arm the scum of the earth.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

NK is a Chinese puppet state. To put a finer point on your comment.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

The stuff they’re giving the Russians are probably just simple Soviet-era airburst or direct-impact artillery shells, nothing fancy like guided munitions. That said, I’d also wager they’re in much better condition than the claptrap shit that Russia’s been pulling from their own strategic reserves, considering North Korea is a hypermilitarized totalitarian state.

[-] Pancito@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

And in the last decade maybe Russia itself supplied NK and gets back their own stuff now.

[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

NK and Russia going hand in hand since a long time. Even today there are prison working camps with NK citizens inside the territory of south east russia that do slave work in the wood-working industries. There are documentations on youtube about those camps. Even further back when the US fought against Korea, while in air-fights with supposed Korean aircrafts, there were in some situations with russian chatters on the intercom showing that in those planes were not at all Korean pilots but russian pilots steering their own known machines under the flag of the Koreans. They both work hand in hand since decades. Their despise for humans and human rights is perfectly on par. They both support the same idea of totalitarian approaches to lead their countries where the citizens have no say in the process and can be used and detained at will for the good of a small ruling family/class.

[-] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

I’d didn’t need to build anything. This is their surplus artillery shells which have become redundant after they developed their nuclear capability.

They already had an ocean worth of artillery shells which they planned to use to hit South Korea within 60 seconds of war being declared. They are giving a portion to Russia because otherwise it’s just sitting around and they’d rather rely on nukes.

[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

I agree only half way. Of course they still have shells from the soviet times that they now gladly provide back to russia. Point taken. But NK is also building "modern" military equipment à la carte. The Documentary "The Mole" showed very well how they do it and what they sell. I do not think that russia only gonna buy the oldest shell that NK has in their depots, but also will equip themself with a bit more modern technology that NK builds in 3rd world countries under the disguise of front operations. The assumption that russia is only going to buy their oldest stock and not a single modern weapon that NK has to build (and use tech from china) is just absurd.

[-] markr@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

lol. We have enough enemies and wars right now. We really don't have to beat the china war drums.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

No-one is going to attack China. But it doesn't hurt pointing out where they got their dirty fingers in

[+] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works -6 points 1 year ago

What's your proposed solution?

[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

What is my proposed solution to the nuclear bomb threat? The middle east conflict? The inequality of rich vs. poor? What do you expect from me? That I write a 5 liner about NK being a proxy of china and then also in 5 additional lines solve that problem? You know, things are complex and I am sure if you give me 10.000 pages, 24 Month and 30 experts with each 10 connections to three letter agencies of 10 different countries, there might be some ways to get something that could be defined as a "way" or "solution" but we are talking about global politics. To just define the player and their positions in this game is too complex for a simple Lemmy post. Let alone the 20 year plan for a "solution". I advice you to read on this topic of publications from the last 30 years. Then you can skip the part about the positions of players in the game and might find that its a equation of a conflict between democratic vs. authoritarian that will play out in the next 30-60 years. The last try by the west to open up china to more democracy by opening the markets did not worked out. Chinese citizen were allowed to open companies and bring goods to western markets while westerns were not able to own companies in china. China pulled up the great firewall, increased surveillance, exporting that surveillance tech to other despots and dictators, tracking citizens even in other countries to suppress their words against that regime in china and is cracking down on freedoms in general even more since Xi got into power. So now the west is looking for another "solution" for the authoritarian threat looming over the world.

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I love it when people ask a Lemmy user to propose a solution to a complex issue, especially when the issue is one that entire groups of people spend years studying.

Oh, a practical, workable solution for world peace that satisfies all parties involved? Coming right up!

Do you think you might be actually be talking to a diplomat or other high level government official? Are you interested in the subject and looking to start a good-faith discussion? Do you have an idea of your own that you want to bounce off someone knowledgeable? Are you simply trying to shut things down?

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

What’s yours?

[-] fluke@snake.substantialplumbing.repair 0 points 1 year ago

Carthago delenda est.

Or wait, was that Barbados? Calvados? Anyway, I forget, but you get my drift.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I don’t get your drift.

[-] ThePrimitive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Why do you think not having a solution precludes discussing a problem?

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That's about 3 months worth of shells for Russia.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

With their accuracy, probably less.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm sure they are well made Chinese weapons

[-] itstoowet@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No mention of them receiving new barrels for their arty, which have been reportedly worn out and not a lot of replacements.

[-] 100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh the ammo from glorious North Korea will certainly not be sub standard and exasturbate the attrition on the artillery...right?

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago

All duds, hopefully.

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

A million sounds like a lot, but remember, this is North Korea we’re talking about. How many of those rounds are made to spec, actually usable, and aren’t duds?

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

More than enough, sadly

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