Keep it nice people!
In my experience the attitude of many of the more prolific users there is something like "America and the West are doing evil things, so their enemies must be the good guys". Atrocities by Western-aligned states are readily accepted as facts, but those committed by countries on "their" side never happened and are merely Western propaganda. They'll cite North Korea's constitution to "prove" that it's a free and democratic country, but when you point out reports showing that the reality on the ground is quite different from what's written in the constitution, that's of course just Western propaganda and the people who fled the country are being paid to spread lies. That dismissive attitude makes it impossible to have a serious discussion with them.
That said, I now have a solid blocklist of their "worst offenders" and found that there are plenty of people with way more balanced opinions as well.
“America and the West are doing evil things, so their enemies must be the good guys”
It's illuminating. I used to be a hardcore anarco-capitalist/radical libertarian and that community had exactly the same thought pattern:
- Vietnam/Middle East show how USA lies for domination
- Snowden showed how CIA/NSA lies for control
- Markets showed how the Fed lies for moneyed elites
... and so on, so that it becomes a given truth that everything the government says is a lie, no matter what.
So then COVID comes along and all the libertarians are "FAUCI LIES! COVID IS JUST FLU!"
A few months (and a lot of Russian influence ) later, these people are believing that mRNA vaccines cause heart disease, etc etc etc
ANYWAY, what's interesting to me is how these two diametrically opposed ideological communities -- Tankies and AnCaps -- have almost exactly the same group dynamics pathology.
it's because they want to feel special.
the root of so much of the people that get caught in these delusional thought pattern is simple massive insecurity. and by clinging to a delusion you can mask it with a feeling of superiority because you KNOW THE TRUTH.
same reason people get recruited into cults. the cultists specifically target insecure people they can emotionally exploit and isolate. they are not interested in secure people who are grounded in reality, because there is nothing for their manipulation tactics to work on.
extremist politics also always become quasi-religions, or merge with fundamentalist religious belief.
Hello, a rational .ml guy reporting in
My political opinions are:
what if we just like were able to eat and stuff like that, that'd be pretty dope
Actually after meaning to do it for a while and constantly forgetting about it I've decided to make myself go ahead and make a piefed account before I once again fall into the loop of "eh I'll make it later" and them promptly forgetting it 2 seconds later
They are carzy over there don't even try. I once started debating an idea and the answer was "you support american captalism propaganda" These people and just like maga weirdos You can be agains everyone. I don't have to choose between comunism or captalist.
common sense is not for everyone
The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping
holy fuck lmao
our flaws are nothing
Completely true if you don't consider Palestinians as equals. Or Vietnamese. Or Koreans. Or Black people. Or Ukrainians. Or women. Or the entire continent of Africa. Or the entire continent of South America. Or the entire continent of Asia.
Literally unbelievable you'd be saying this during genocide in Palestine and western invasion of Iran.
You probably don't speak any of the languages from the countries you listed. Almost everything that you know about them you've learned from "western" sources. You, like many others come to the fediverse and are exposed to counter narratives for the first time in your life. This comes as a shock, and you think that such people must be crazy, paid shills or bots. I encourage you to stick around, and actually read what people are saying.
Also, don't mistake nuance for unqualified support. Do I like Iran's government? No, but that doesn't really matter. Right now my government (who does far greater harm to the world than any others you mentioned), is killing people there. I know from my experience and knowledge of history, that the US "intervening" is not going to end up improving the lives of the people there.
I speak some languages they listed. I lived in some countries they listed. If anything "western sources" often underestimate shit that happened and happens there.
You probably also don't speak all those languages and get your sources from narratives that were translated to your language by propaganda wings of those countries.
You're not immune to propaganda.
I never claimed to be immune. What I'm saying is that if you spend your whole life enconsed in a bubble of all-pervasive propaganda, don't be so dismissive when you finally encounter perspectives and information from outside that narrative.
.ml Is made by and ran by Marxist-Leninists.
Marxist-Leninism being an entirely made up bullshit ideology from Stalin to paint any and all actions he committed as "communism" or "progress to communism".
Its also the adopted "ideology" of every self proclaimed communist state such as China, North Korea, Vietnam, etc. Any contradictions of the ideology between how these states practice it is brushed off by M-L fans as "Marxist-Leninism with <INSERT COUNTRY> characteristics".
To a M-L fan, none of the core principles of communism actually matter, and are never actually pursued. They don't care about::
- Proletariat ownership of the means of production
- Elimination of the system of Capital
- Proletariat rule of society
And both hilariously and bafflingly, they will point to what benefits a respective M-L country has as "proof" that that country is following or pursuing communism, even if that country blatantly shows it refuses to adopt those big three above. They also blame the West, specifically the USA for those faux communist countries failing to achieve communism.
I.E. M-L fans fall for bread and circuses very easy as long as they're told its a communist bread and circus
So TL;DR, .ml's are Marxist-Leninists who don't actually care about socialism or communism and are voluntary NPC propaganda machines for authoritarian regimes that abandoned a pursuit of communism long ago.
my favorite part was when you pointed out corruption and capitalism so rife in every country that is supposedly communist, they say it's 'necessary for the transition'... right.
some of them are still under the delusion that Russia still a ML state...
necessary for the transition
Eerily similar to the MAGAs who are happy to suffer the "temporary" pain of tariffs today, since it's going to "Make Us Great" in the ill-defined future
Or the Brexiteers convinced that the sunlit uplands are just around the corner of the "short term pain" of abandoning the UK's closest and largest trade partner.
Fucking morons, happily led around by their prejudices.
There's a reason M-Ls are called "tankies" and "red fascists".
They just simply are. They are fascists in Che Guevara t-shirts.
I don't have an answer to your primary question, however...
I'm not at all in support of the Iranian regime, but be careful with that 30,000 number. It appears to be propaganda and falsified evidence created to help instill support for the ongoing war. There is also evidence Mossad incited the protests and created a false flag within Iran.
Do your own searching. Or don't. But I'd take that 30k number with a grain of salt.
Man I just made an account and happened to pick the most controversial one apparently
coulda been worse, couldve picked hexbear
Lol. The idea that you are asking this in .world. My god. How has the irony not killed you?
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