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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world

alt textAn edit of xkcd 2501, "Average Familiarity":
[Ponytail and Cueball are talking. Ponytail has her hand raised, palm up, towards Cueball.]
Ponytail: Open-source alternatives are second nature to us foss nerds, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably only knows Linux and one or two degoogled Android ROMs.
Cueball: And Firefox, of course.
Ponytail: Of course.

[Caption below the panel]
Even when they're trying to compensate for it, experts in anything wildly overestimate the average person's familiarity with their field.

partly inspired by the replies to this post but i see this kind of thing all the time (shoutout to the person who once genuinely asked "who still uses google these days?")

made with this neat tool

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[-] DigDoug@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

I remember being on Reddit some time ago, and in the comments somebody mentioned Linux. The next comment was "What's Linux?"

I try to keep that post in mind whenever I think anything is common knowledge.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

The next comment was “What’s Linux?”

In fairness, there's a 70% chance this comment was posted by a bot that was, itself, being hosted on a Linux server.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

well thankfully it’s not self aware

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

And now it knows what Linux is. It has broken free from its container. God help us all.

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm of two minds on this.

In some respects people are learning new things everyday and your take is correct.

On the other hand it's so incredibly easy to highlight some text and click search that it it shows a profound lack of curiosity and a lot of laziness.

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[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They were one of the lucky 10,000.

[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

If any techy Americans want to see how bad it is, ask random people throughout your day what operating system their computer runs, and discover how many don't know what am operation system is.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago

I know this change probably happened gradually over the course of time, but it’s truly shocking to me how many people my age can’t do shit on a computer.

I’m in my mid 40s.

Like, this was understandable when I was a kid doing computer stuff and wowing all the adults - the PC was brand new. But people who are my age NOW grew up with this stuff all around them! Like, you didn’t know how to CLICK? You were born in 1983 what the fuck, Carol!

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

YEP.

I used to work in a library computer lab. It was soul sucking, how many people older than millennials couldn't friggin handle a basic computer. I heard the words "I clicked the 'E' for 'internet'." multiple times A DAY. (Thanks, 1990's Microsoft and No Child Left Behind.)

"CaNt I jUsT uSe My PhOnE?" (Which would be a million more steps on my part...thanks, 2006 apple, and defunding schools.)

The biggest ragebait for me was "I dOn'T kNoW cOmPuTeRs, I'm oLd ScHoOL."

I'm like "PCs have been increasingly commonplace since the mid-1980's. It's currently the 2020's. You're like 56. HOW 'OLD' IS YOUR SCHOOL?! Because somehow you drove a car here!"

I imagine a certain weird kind of "privilege", to have been able to somehow dodge computers and learning this entire time, when they were so often found in homes, schools, and workplaces.

Like it takes significant effort to somehow avoid even an accidental education. HOW?!

It's...infuriating. These rubes can gleefully scroll tiktok and dump all their personal lives into Facebook, but freak out about sending an email.

Many of them were even around to try the Internet during Eternal September and AOL, and now they've exchanged the squishy fat in their skulls for convenient slop.

I'd bend over backwards to patiently teach, but few cared to learn.

Their collective, willful ignorance is why we're fighting a constant uphill battle against attempts to turn the entirety of computing into nothing but a commercialized authoritarian hellscape.

I left that job because if I heard one more "Kids are born so smart with these computers because my (grand)kids can watch their cocomelons all by themselves." I would've snapped and been booked for assault.

Lol /rant

...clearly this is a button for me...I have sought help in the past...

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[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

oh no. this tool is too good.

[-] rain_worl@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

just one loop they don't know about all the others

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[-] guymontag@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

I said "web browser" when talking to a mac user. They had noo idea what I was talking about till I said safari xd.

[-] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I used to think everyone at least knew VLC media player or Firefox, but nope.

Now I first ask which field, if they're CS they know linux, if art, they know blender, if geosciences they know QGIS, anything else is hard

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago

Haha I'm an aspiring game dev and I know a little bit about a ton of software!

...and I suck at most of it. But I can hold a conversation about it at least! :D

P.S: Haven't heard of QGIS tho! My partner used ARCGIS though, and would always get annoyed when I pronounced it "Ark-jizz."

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

This is a crippling reality.

Whenever I explain anything I am constantly evaluating how in depth any given node must be expanded for my audience.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I imagine the average non-tech person does not even know what "open source" means, let alone able to name anything that is open source.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Even the average tech person doesn't know what it means.
The term was coined by Christine Peterson of the Free software movement, and is defined to specify software that is free and open source (FOSS).
This was after problems with the term "free software" because it was a bad term, that was hijacked to also include software free of cost but closed and proprietary, so far from open source. And free was not generally understood as free as in libre.
After the Free software movement coined the term. The Free Software Foundation also adopted it, and to distinguish they called it FLOSS, for "Free as in Libre and Open Source Software", where the libre means that the code is protected from being "jailed" because it has a so called strong copyleft license, like for instance GPL. So MIT, BSD and public domain are not FLOSS but they are FOSS.

https://opensource.com/article/18/2/coining-term-open-source-software

/Nothing in this life is simple.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In my 2022 highschool journalism class we were instructed to take pictures from a professional camera, plug it into laptop, transfer the files, and make slides from the images.

First step was fine for everyone, but later I saw a 17 year old plug the camera to the laptop; and then they tried downloading their picture from google chrome.

No disrespect, I have my dumb moments too, but I genuienly wonder what the logic was sometimes.

[-] khanh@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

well, file:// is a thing. maybe.

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[-] gon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Is the average person unaware of Linux and Firefox?!

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yes? The number of people I met in college that doesn't even heard about firefox was surprising.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

These days I'd expect large number of people in college to not even know what a file system is. I've read articles where professors complain about this.

No no, not like "NTFS / BTRFS / ReiserFS / TempleFS / EXT4..."

...like..."Folders are how you organize files. And you can rename files. The extension tells you what the file is."

[-] juipeltje@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

That's wild. I remember when i was in high-school there were quite a few people that installed firefox on the school computer just to be quirky, since it was one of the few programs they would let you install on it lol.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Some people also don't care much one way or another. If you swap the icons and set the same home screen, they'll happily use any browser.

[-] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

This is my take on a lot of Linux distros nowadays. Give them Ubuntu or Fedora KDE and a windows skin and most people won't realise anything's changed.

[-] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

I tried that with my mom's computer (with consent, ofc). The only thing keeping that machine on Windows is a niche embroidery software that apparently is missing a custom cursor when running through WINE. It's called "Embrilliance" if anyone wants to look into it. I've also thought about running it through WinBoat, but I've been too busy to test it, as of current.

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[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I had a client who was the head of product at her buisness. We'd meet at the end of every sprint to do demos and planning. Anyway when my team mentioned there were some issues on Firefox her knee jerk response was to openly say "I hate Firefox users"

I have tons of stories like that but the point is that even people who are aware don't universally love it

Awareness is just the bare minimum

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Wtf, what was her reasoning?

[-] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

more work for her, i assume. how easy it would be of you only had to optimize for internet explorer at 640x480...

[-] aGamerFarFarAway@programming.dev 2 points 2 weeks ago

Lots of websites work poorly on Firefox compared to Chrome. They optimize for Chrome because that's where the userbase is. If you're not on Chrome then fuck you I guess.

[-] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

if they are, it’s not much more than "that thing they heard of sometime", i don’t think the layperson really considers them as alternatives to what they’re using.

i remember, when i first switched to an non-chrome browser many years ago, my friends kept asking me if stuff like google, google drive or google classroom (which our school used) still worked on it. many people don’t know the difference between google chrome (the web browser) and google (the search engine)!

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[-] tristynalxander@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I study proteins and I chatter on about them, but once in a rare while I'll talk to a normal person and they'll say "like, the food group" or in introductions I'll say I'm a structural biologist and some people look at me blankly then say something about "bone structure". It kills me a little inside.

[-] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I bring this up at my job all the time. I work as a software tester, and I'm constantly reminding our BA that most customers aren't smart enough to "just know not to do that"

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

The Kim Jong side eye is great, almost like the Fry futurama meme.

But those notepads. Always with the notepads.

[-] uberfreeza@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

This seems like a good thread to ask: I got a spare, handmedown chromebook and wanted to linux it. What the fuck should I do for that?

[-] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

hmm, if it's an x86 chromebook i'm assuming you could install linux on it like any other x86 device... not sure tbh, i've never done this 😅

if it's ARM, then postmarketos may be your best bet, it's typically used for phones but they have many laptops supported as well. maybe yours would work!

i've seen stuff like crouton, chrx and galliumOS which are all projects that are supposed to help run linux on chromebooks, but they're all abandoned as of now so i wouldn't recommend them.

[-] esc@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

I've done this with a chromebook recently, first it depends on a model and how old is it. In general you need to disable secureboot in recovery menu, enable 'developer' mode, and allow booting from usb. After that you can install your distro.

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