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submitted 6 days ago by Sepia@mander.xyz to c/climate@slrpnk.net

cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/52096709

Germany's coal phase-out is on track to happen through market forces well before the legal 2038 deadline, regardless of current energy market turbulence, says Hauke Hermann, a researcher at the Institute of Applied Ecology (Öko-Institut). Carbon price trends make an exit as early as 2031 or 2032 likely, Hermann told Clean Energy Wire. Refiring old coal plants in response to the Iran war's energy market shock to cut power costs would distort investment signals and is unlikely to happen in practice, he added.

Soaring energy prices have triggered calls for slowing Germany’s coal exit. The country’s coal exit law, agreed in 2020, provides for the step-by-step decommissioning of coal power plants. It also stipulates that coal-fired power generation must cease by 2038 at the very latest. Germany's western coal region aims for an earlier phase-out by 2030, but delays in building new gas-fired power plants as a backup for renewables make meeting this earlier deadline increasingly unlikely.

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[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 18 points 6 days ago

Fucking hell that is slow. Germany, wtf?

[-] Pirasp@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Faster than I expected, what with the CDU in power and all

[-] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

Fucking hell that is slow. Germany, wtf?

Sorry, our current head of government is kind of a slug

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 8 points 6 days ago

Only like a decade after they said they would. That's pretty good still going to cause untold ecological damage but less than say openai or the invasiam of Ukraine

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 days ago

The invasion of Ukraine forced Europe to lower fossil fuel consumption and now Ukraine is also destroying a lot of fossil fuel infrastructure in Russia. Even the destruction of the Kakhovka dam seems to turn out rather wild ecosystem. The Baltic countries are also recreating massive wetlands on the border to Russia.

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 points 6 days ago

Do maybe Ukraine is ecological break even and american invasion if Iran might be good who do you think we can make China and India invade to fuck up fossil infra

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago

LOL we're getting wildly expensive environmentally disastrous fracking gas from the USSA, shipped in diesel tankers.
And why? because these terrorists blew up Nordstream causing a huge environmental disater by itself.
Quit your BS

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 5 days ago

I'm guessing they'll get to 90% very soon, and that last 10% is what takes the most time

[-] dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Laughs in American

Then cries

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago

they were quick to exit NUCLEAR power.

[-] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not really. It took about fourty years of discussion, strife, protests, civil desobedience, and no less than five widely reported major nuclear accidents - Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and the three plants at Fukushima - to get there. And renewable energy is a child of the quest to get better energy sources, thst stsrted in mid-seventies, and started to become mature with megawatt wind power plants in the early naughties. We would not have these without the antinuclear movement. I know all that well because I studied applied physics and renewable energy in Germany since 1988.

The decades old logo of the antinuclear movement

.... shows a fiery sun for a reason.

[-] Noja@sopuli.xyz -2 points 6 days ago
[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 days ago

"but someone else will do worse" is not a valid defence.

[-] Noja@sopuli.xyz -1 points 5 days ago

Not really a defense, just saying that they are nullifying our efforts.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago

But you haven't made an effort

[-] nodiratime@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago

"Our efforts" lol, lmao even. The west - Germany and the US in particular - are not even trying.

[-] Noja@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 days ago

Yes of course, decommissioning coal power plants instead of building them rapidly is bad apparently.

[-] nodiratime@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

You are absolutely clueless on the matter. I will not engage in a conversation with someone fighting surface level stuff, bye.

[-] auzy1@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

So are their renewable installations...

[-] Noja@sopuli.xyz -2 points 5 days ago

That's like saying a chain smoker is turning healthy by starting to brush their teeth, while increasing their cigarette intake..

[-] auzy1@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

60% of China's power capacity at this point are renewables, and even if they're building coal, they're building renewables much faster.. Long term, it's clear they're still phasing out coal.. The power plants are there, but they probably won't be running much in 10-20 years time

[-] Noja@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 days ago

So what? Germany is also at slightly above 60% renewables with 80% by 2030 being a goal, and we don't build new coal power plants!

[-] Sepia@mander.xyz 14 points 6 days ago

As an addition: In its report, The Global Coal Exit List 2025: Troubling Trends Towards Chemicals and Captive Power, the NGO Urgewald identifies India, China, and the U.S. as the main obstacles for a coal phase-out.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 6 points 6 days ago

China is a surprise to me, didn't know they use that much coal for non energy production. At least they are scaling down when it comes to energy.

[-] Sepia@mander.xyz 6 points 6 days ago

According to the Chinese Communist Party's recently released 15th five-year plan: compared to the 14th five-year plan, China’s goals for non-fossil energy additions would see China’s annual green energy additions fall by more than half in the next five years, while at the same time, fossil fuel energy consumption would increase by 8-10%,

China is not on track to meet its 2060 carbon neutrality goal, according to climate think tank, Carbon Action Tracker.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

Interesting. How come nothing is written about their nuclear power plants?

[-] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 2 points 6 days ago

They will burn the question is whether that fire comes before or after there's any benefit to be had from any of it Americans are already turning off power to people without shutting down the plants or making anything what's the actual down side of burning it all down

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 days ago

So they want get rid of coal and gas peakers? While critically depending on imports from neighbors when the renewables don't deliver?

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