if today's strategies are anything to go by : nothing is illegal if youre in charge
I'm sure the pedo in charge, that's just ordered the removal of a deep-ocean observation system, is certainly going to baulk at the thought of removing some plants.
Do this under the current administration and you'll lose the endangered species act
They'll be getting rid of that on general principles. But you might lose it a couple of weeks earlier
Oops a completely accidental accident happened where a van full of pesticide accidentally crashed head on into the tree and exploded it. Accidentally. Oh well, I guess the build is back on at least.
I was once working on a building site of some kind and was told that was known to have some kind of native endangered lizard, we were told “if you think you see one, you didn’t”.
Unfortunately doing this will just get the protections for those species revoked
Lmao they don't even care about humans. You think they'd care about beetles and berries??
Yeah I'm sure the guys on the ground would "accidentally" start the diggers before they were "aware" of the Beatles and berries.
i mean republicans are protesting from thier small towns, and some blue states are partially trying to stop it. because these politicians likely see thier re-election chances become slim if they keep going forward with it. some states that is. the only ones that dont care already arnt up for re-election(Mills, whitmer). it works ina blue state , gop states are unlikely to care about it, since they are likely tobow by trump.
The kind of ecological terrorism I approve
Haha maybe under a normal president, but this one hates regulation and safety. He LOVES money though.
And you think these assholes won't just raze that stuff without a care in the world? Because they will. After that they'll be sued which will end with a small slap on the hand, combined with "oh you!" and that's it
It'll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it'll cost them to just ignore all that
Except no - starting elderberry shrubs is relatively easy. Not like scattering the berries on the ground, but sticking cuttings a couple inches into damp or wet ground in late fall works very well, with very good odds that they'll be big enough to bear fruit in a year. It's also very cheap if you have access to an existing tree.
Apparently you missed this in the research I'm sure you did before commenting on the cost, and strangely the people upvoting you seem to be making the same mistake. Probably AI's fault. (ooooh, he's defending AI - nope, just criticizing misinformation)
Nobody's missing how easy these are to plant.
The fucks planting data centres don't give a fuck though. The guy in the white house does not give a fuck. They'll bulldoze you and these plants for a nickel.
Well that assumes they get away with it, and the irrefutable doomsday gospel seems to be that corps will bulldoze the world no matter what, even if it's illegal, therefore the endangered species tactic flat out won't work, because nothing will work, because they're invincible. But if that's the case I don't know why we're even starting these conversations.
They are definitely going to either remove the Endangered Species Act entirely or just slowly keep dropping species from the list as and when it becomes convenient honestly
They’re literally shooting people in the head in the street. If someone chained themselves to a tree to stop construction they’d just saw the person in half. Hasn’t been a single consequence yet
Ah, well in that case we should all just give up. Stop trying, people! It's already over!
Oh you misunderstand, I’m saying shoot first
Still doesn't make him wrong. They will ignore it and receive little to no consequence. I also don't understand the hostility, infact it fits the "erm actually" meme so well I suspect trolling.
I think the word "relatively" in the previous comment is doing some heavy lifting.
If you are going to spend a few hours of your limited free time to plant the shrubs, even if the materials and transportation are free to you, compare that with the relative cost of a small environmental fine to a trillion dollar company building a billion dollar data center.
The people at the top might not even realize anything happened, if anything even does happen.
RIP to the Endangered Species Act
No chance the US government will forego money for their broligarchs because of environmental laws.
But if you really want to overwhelm someone’s property with an unkillable native plant, I’d have to put Virginia creeper forward as a candidate.
Get a few people. On one corner: bamboo. On another, kudzu. On a third, blackberries and mint. On a fourth, your creepers. Let the games begin.
Oh god, keep the bamboo and kudzu in their native environments. The ecosystem has been through enough!
Eh, ecosystems adapt. Most "invasive" species made their way to new lands on their own. The problem is when humans consciously introduce a new species with a purpose, knowing that it dominates against something the idiot human doesn't like.
There are only really a few big rules to keep things going. Don't get rid of the sole predator for a populous prey animal. Don't introduce prey animals to an environment that reproduce faster than they can be eaten. Don't plant clones, diversify genetics within a species(looking at you, orchards and tree farms).
Hmm, if that's what's in the picture we might have had a bunch of those things around the house when I was growing up and I might be a federal criminal...
Those also look very similar to pokeweed. You probably had a pokeweed infestation.
Neat idea... but I don't think federal law is gonna stop the oligarchs under this administration.
It's a good way of getting the protection removed...
Exactly this.
I think the way it works now is they take it to court and get the judge to allow them to continue building while the court case works its way through the system and in 6 years when they determine it's illegal the center has already been built for 5.
They'd likely just rubber stamp an exemption and let them do what they want.
If not outright kill the entire Endangered Species Act.
Yeah, the ship of legalism has long since sailed. It is sad to see how so many in the US has apparently not realised this yet. It is not about laws or the constitution or anything like that. They now strictly do shit because noone is stopping them, regardless of what it is.
Are there any specific instructions out there for how to care for these in order to make sure they actually grow?
Watch them care, they'll just bulldoze right over these
Except it's only native to the central valley in California so if you're anywhere else this is not going to have any effect.
I guess this person just didn't look up its range or something? The species pictured there isn't even native to CA.
Most endangered species have restricted ranges, which is part of what makes them endangered. So you'll have to do the work to find out what might be present in your local area.
That said I did just hear they're trying to build one in Roseville, CA which IS in the range of this species so guerrilla gardeners, if you happen to be in Roseville, go nuts.
The law means nothing when lobbies of big corps can change it to their like, paying politicans as their spokespersons.
It’s pretty clear laws aren’t real anymore. Nothing will improve until these demons live in constant fear for their lives
Fear is temporary. Change is permanent.
That would only be a problem if there were still rule of law in the US. If that were the case, they wouldn't be able to run all those gas turbines either.
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