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[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 149 points 1 year ago

The actual original stated history near the start of the religion is that Adam and Eve weren't the "first people" to exist, just the first Jewish/Christian people created by God. Since it was common belief and understanding at the time that other gods also existed from the other religions and created their own peoples.

Judaism was monotheistic only in regards to following a single god, but it fully recognized other existences in a much larger pantheon.

It was only later that Jewish and Christian scholars denigrated the existence of other gods to be "demons" worshipped by pagans and thus lower than the "one true god" and all that nonsense.

[-] xeekei@lemm.ee 58 points 1 year ago

Pantheons have always been cooler. Shame they ruined the lore.

[-] toasteecup@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Jew checking in, can confirm. You can even see evidence of this in the modern translation.

"Thou shalt have no god before me" doesn't say anything about after

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

I swear it seems like 40% of Judaism is finding and exploiting loopholes

[-] Duder167@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Doesn't God mention after eve eats the fruit "they are now like us" also there's evidence God had a consort named Asherah. The wholes a big dumb mess

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[-] steakmeout@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Minorly scholarly Jew checking in. That commandment did not exist when Adam and Eve were brought into Creation so it wouldn't apply. The Ten Commandments, of which the first is, "Thou shalt have no god before me" also does not define belief order. Before is taken as you either follow H-shem or you follow others gods but you cannot follow both. Your confirmation is bunk. Judaism is hereditary, initally patrilineal up until about 10BCE and then it became matrilineal as Jews migrated into other nations and parts of the world.

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[-] SixTrickyBiscuits@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

If I understand it right, the Jewish God came from a pantheon, and didn't just respect other pantheons. Like it was equivalent to a group of people who worshipped the Roman gods and then said "Yeahhh, but we're going to pick Vulcan as our main guy."

[-] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 10 points 1 year ago

Proto Jewdism was highly influenced by Egyptian religion. Many themes and plots being pulled from there. It wasn't until these proto-Jews spent time around Zoroastrianism that the religion really took its modern form.

There is evidence of proto-Jews worshiping other gods but there is no evidence of worship of more than one God though.

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[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago

It literally says "Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters" in Gen 5:4. Which doesn't improve the situation, but at least makes it biologically possible. (Except for where Cain's wife comes from).

[-] turmacar@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cain is also worried about people killing him after he's banished. Genesis chapter 6 talks about the "Sons of God" finding the "daughters of humans" beautiful.

The bible treats Adam n' family like Greek demi-gods or Norse giants that mingle with humans who came from "gestures vaguely".

[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was probably intended as an origin myth just for Semitic peoples as to why they're holier than the pagan rabble around them and it just lost its way a bit and ended up confused

Then the NT comes and doubles down on the whole human race explicitly coming from Adam. Now that I think about it, I can't think of an OT reference explicitly saying everyone's from Adam? Maybe the ancient Jews just always knew genesis wasn't supposed to explain everything?

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Because it was the origin story of their tribe. It got retroconned to be of the entire human species. You can even see the stitches. Cain is worried about being banished from his tribe because other people will attack him. There are no other people so who would attack him? As you pointed out who did Seth mate with?

Back in the day every little tribe had their own god and their own story of how they got there.

[-] Mewtwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lmao Christians are following some random tribes pagen god

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

If I had a time machine I would love to grab some ancient Hebrew storyteller and show him the utter chaos he is going to unleash. Oh you thought you were just going to tell some stories to kids about Adam for a few shekles? Check this out. Entire wars have been fought over this.

Imagine the horror of knowing that because you took a breath in your story, it became a pause when written down, which changed the meaning of a verse, which changed another verse, which caused a movement, which caused a counter-movement. And a million people died or were tortured.

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the end, everything considered, yes.

And it wouldn't be the last pagan god or rite they adopted. What do you think where Beelzebub comes from? Or Moloch? Or even JHWH?

[-] flames5123@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

So, most lineages back in the day don’t mention daughters when detailing them.

However, the Bible actually says, “After the birth of Seth, Adam lived another 800 years and he had other sons and daughters.” So it does document other children. Research just for a second before posting a meme, even if it is against the great sky fairy. Most things in that book do add up somehow.

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Okay, but that still isn't okay. The siblings fucked each other or their parents.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

“It’s totally okay, because god said to.”- Alabama, probably

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

"I'm just practicin wat I preach"

  • Alabama, probably
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[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I mean, when your population starts at just a pair, it's gotta increase from there

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[-] galaxies_collide@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Adam lived another 800 years… Most things in that book do add up somehow.

I’mma stop you right there.

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[-] Duder167@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I like how you confidently state "OH YEAH, WELL HE LIVED 800 YEARS! CHECKMATE"

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[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

It's called the "Mega Drive" in Europe

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago
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[-] kicksystem@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Nice title for a pornhub video: biblical gang bang with milf

[-] Schmuppes@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

"...While Holy Father watches"

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[-] metic@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

This is a pretty fun rabbit hole to dive down. The para-biblical book Jubilees retells a lot of the Hebrew Bible stories with added details including naming the patriarchs’ wives. A more interesting reading is that because they are omitted in the Genesis account, quite possibly a lot more people were also not mentioned. This led to the “pre-Adamite” doctrine, that Adam and Eve were not the first humans. Of course there’s also the Talmudic account of Lilith which has gained a lot of popularity recently.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I believe you mean the Horadric account of Lilith. Very popular indeed.

[-] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Those. Mother. Fuckers.

[-] Brazzburry@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Everyone knows the first few generations god was like "I'm only dealing in ribs rn you guys but I promise I'll get this shit worked out soon"

[-] complacent_jerboa@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

he developed the minimum viable product, and released it as an alpha.

he already had the reproductive system mostly done on the development branch. he just had some issues to work out, because the CI/CD pipeline wasn't letting him push his changes (cause it kept failing some obscure unit test Satan wrote earlier)

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[-] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

The Bible is truly a disgusting tale of incest!

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I still laugh every time those nutbags yell IT'S ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!! 😂

Like all of this shit isn't just made up horseshit.

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[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

True definition if motherfucker

[-] DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

They all slept with their mother

[-] Art3sian@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

We’ve all slept with your mother.

Zing

[-] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Riddles are supposed to be fun to figure out. I didn't want this answer.

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[-] Doug@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but Cain was sent off and ended up getting married

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[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Butt babies

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