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I tried to discuss the use of steam hardware security keys on google's top steam forum threads about the subject and all my posts were deleted and the threads closed. And I got a community warning (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml to c/steam@lemmy.ml

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https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/1754652753780631811/?tscn=1698722608

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3080999687773957700/?tscn=1698722795

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/2592234299531172469/?tscn=1698722897

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3761103414970974831/?tscn=1698722940

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[-] sudoku@programming.dev 27 points 1 year ago

Well stop necroing old threads.

[+] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -19 points 1 year ago

I hope that words dies from our lexicon, what a terrible practice, shutting down discussion when it is the first result on google.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 26 points 1 year ago

The issue of necroing old threads is All the participants of the conversation are gone, and if they do happen to still be around, they've lost all the context in which they were discussing. It's a way of getting the final word in.

If you want to have a new relevant discussion start a new thread. Then people who want to get up to date on the current discussion don't have to read the whole backlog. Which isn't relevant because if it's been 3 years since the last comment, people don't want to read 600 messages to get to that point.

Then, and only then, if you want to improve the Google search results, you can go to the necrothread and post a link to the new thread saying the discussions moved. I would still avoid doing that even. Google SEO is Google's domain, Google's problem.

But if your goal is to get into the Google search results, then you're not really serving the purpose of the forum, you're not really talking to the members of the forum.

But none of these are hard rules, politeness conventions. It would be Nice if threads got auto locked after a period of inactivity.

I think the reason you got your community warning, is you necroed four threads at the same time

[+] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -10 points 1 year ago

The problem with closing threads is that now all the people in future will face a wall. Even if they'd create a new thread, that thread will only be visible to people who look in the forum and in chronological order.

Compared to the people on google, which is where everyone is, the people on the forum are a rounding error to zero.

Google does not host conversations (thank god, for now), so there needs to be a place for those hundreds of millions of people to find each other.

And more often than not, they find themselves on a closed old thread, unable to talk to one another.

Old style forum shutdown more discussion that they have ever hosted and they don't even realize it.

Old style forum are one of the worse information choke point of the entire internet.

This is why reddit has become the center of the internet and why putting "reddit" at the end of your search is so effective.

But now reddit is going to die and it doesn't look like there's going to be another "center" of the internet.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 13 points 1 year ago

By your own words you were posting in somebody's forum, but you did not care about participating in the forum, you are just using their forum as a form of Google SEO.

That makes you a bad faith actor, and the moderators were correct remove your content from the forum. You did not genuinely want to participate, grow, or be a member of their community.

[+] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -11 points 1 year ago

I absolutely do not care AT ALL about that forum, the only reason why I was even there is because they were the most relevant link for "security key steam login"
Just like I absolutely do not care, at all, not even at little bit about "https://lemmy.ml/c/steam", this is just where the discussion is happening at this present moment.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then don't be surprised when moderators remove you when you don't want to actually be a member of a community. The forums are there for the community. They're not there for a Google SEO

[-] CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !steam@lemmy.ml

[-] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 1 points 1 year ago

Then don't post there, 4hed.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Lol start a new thread

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't necro old threads. Agreed with the other poster.

But taking the opportunity to talk about hardware keys, it would be great if steam supported them. I don't run the steam app.

If everybody could just agree on fido2 and make that work everywhere I'd be very happy, and secure

[+] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -10 points 1 year ago

Well, the thread is locked now and these were the tops results on google. So that discussion isn't going to happen now. We're going to have to wait until some tech catastrophe happens and the solution is going to be security keys.

I don't think it's valid to complain about "necroing" threads when they're the top google result. And it's a bad moderation practice to close threads at all when the discussion is not over, a sign of our diseased communication spaces and the awful concentration of power that moderators have to shape public discourse to their liking.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 8 points 1 year ago

I addressed your issues in a different comment in the same post. Please see that one.

About the job of moderators: moderators have an incredibly important job, keeping the discussion relevant to the participants of the forum. There's a lot of noise out there, and without the moderators the noise would drown out any signal.

Luckily however we have lemmy! You can run a discussion forum here with any moderation rules you want.

[+] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -9 points 1 year ago

I can filter the signal on my own just fine. I wish I could fingersnap all moderation out of existence because everywhere I look I see abusive moderators getting between me and the information I want. I have ZERO confidence that Lemmy will ever avoid this fate, the best clue to this is how every topic is concentrated on a single instance (easy choke point for moderators to control the discourse)

This is very unfortunate but Lemmy will eventually become just "reddit with extra steps" because the Lemmy moderators do not believe in fediverse decentralization.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 1 year ago

You can moderate your own Lemmy community right now. I'll even subscribe to it. You can be the change you want to see.

[-] wahming 12 points 1 year ago

It's almost as if the mods explained the reason for their actions! Unthinkable!

[-] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Jesus dude, you resurrected a 6 year old thread thinking it would still be relevent?

Anyway, you're lucky you didn't get banned for spamming - next time, make one (1) new thread about the subject instead of commenting on multiple dead discussions.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

A new thread on an already existing and established topic is completely pointless.

It would not be visible in the first page of the search and it would just spread the information and focus around.

Those were the right place to post. And now they've all been destroyed by that imbecile of a moderator.

Everyone in the future searching for this topic will just hit a dead end.

[-] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

No, the reason they're going to hit a dead end is because you tried to ressurect discussions that finished literally years ago - discussions started by now inactive accounts, replied to by people whose answer won't have changed. You posted 4 TIMES asking people whose discussions had established there was no 2fa hardware support if there was 2fa hardware support - they had already said no, and you came in between 1 and 6 years later to ask again.

Instead of starting a new, visible discussion on the steam community, where topics are boosted by recent interactions, and it will be seen by the most relevent people, not just the randomers coming through google looking for the same answer as your, but for some reason you chose to ask people who have forgotten they ever needed help with this issue if they ever found an answer.

Lastly, I want to point out how fucking stupid and infantile it is that you're not only asking the question again, but asking in multiple year old discussions: Steam has repeatedly said that Steamguard is their 2fa, and that's it. Your "bu- bu- bu- i'm important i need hardware to stop evil hackers from targetting my vibeo gane" is absolutely irrelevent to them, a position they have not been secretive about.

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