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The transphobia stops now (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

This community is housed on an instance run by two trans women, focused on the needs of the queer and gender diverse community.

We allowed 196 here because we were promised the community is queer and trans inclusive.

If you're here it's because you're aggressively supportive of trans folk. Not middle of the ground, not "just asking questions".

If your response to that is, "yes, but..." then this isn't the instance for you, and by extension, this isn't the community for you.

tl;dr - Unambiguous support and inclusion, or fuck off somewhere else.

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Edit - I changed the phrase "aggressive support to "unambiguous support", as there was some confusion over the intent behind my previous phrasing.

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[-] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Curious question, what made 196 so popular in the trans community? I have always seen some trans memes on Reddit, but it seems the ratio is even higher here (and some anti police stuff, idk I'm not american).

Is it because this is a place you can express yourself freely on the web, or is there something more to it?

[-] CreamyWeenie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It was the only (as far as I know) general shitposting community on reddit that wasn't casually racist/homophobic/transphobic, because of this a lot of LGBTQ+ people flocked to it for their memes.

[-] noisehound@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

iirc, for awhile the first and only user flair available on r/196 was "trans rights"

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honestly, I have no idea. We ended up with this community during the massive reddit migration because we are a queer focused instance, but I'm not sure of the history. I didn't even know the community existed before that :)

[-] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

I have no idea what the history of 196 being queer is, but it was an extremely queer subreddit. I think it has something to do with how many trans people also happen to be shitposters.

[-] tonnert@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Go go go. I’m so sick and tired of the hatred, the ignorance and frankly speaking, the stupidness.

I’m from a culture that is not very forgiving and tolerant, even though on the tin it says we are.

And it took me years to see and understand it. Now that I’ve conquered that ignorance, hell no we are not going to regress!!

[-] cmat273@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Hi! Trans person here. Your heart is in the right place, but this post is poorly written. You haven't even given examples of how this is currently/could be applied. Some people are just that uneducated about trans people. If they're leading questions that invalidate us, sure. But otherwise what's the harm? For 196 there's no reason to ask about that stuff but the whole instance?? Your call in the end but I can think of a few ways this could go bad just from prior experience in other communities.

[-] Jimbo@yiffit.net 1 points 2 years ago

Thank you, based mod

[-] Arystique@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Heck yeah! Fuck Transphobia!

[-] Lightsong@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Just wondering what does 196 means anyway? Clueless lemmy user here.

Ps I'm ally of LGBTQ2S+.

[-] Mozingo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Back on Reddit some dude and his roomates made a subreddit called r/195 (their dorm number). It only had one rule, when you visit, you have to post a meme. Eventually the public found the subreddit and started posting their own memes. It got huge and out of hand and some awful stuff started getting posted so they finally deleted the subreddit. That disappointed a bunch of people so a sequel was made, r/196. This community is a recreation of that second subreddit.

[-] There1snospoon7491@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

This should be in the sidebar so the lore isn’t lost.

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Hello, Based Department, we've got another Based Community here.

Trans rights are human rights!

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks for this, honestly it was worrying how many upvotes some transphobic replies were getting.

[-] pjb@lemmy.spacestation14.com 1 points 2 years ago

What the fuck, transphobia on 196?

Trans rights 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

[-] mbryson@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Based.

Thank you for creating a safe space. I'm an ally to the LGBTQ+ community and am happy there's a space not for "everyone", but for those willing to accept trans folk and silence those against them (while having funny posts on it as well).

[-] Nyla_Smokeyface@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

It's comforting to know that this community is intolerant of transphobia

[-] funky_rodent@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Will spend the next days reporting transphobes if necessary <3 best wishes from Germany

[-] UhBell@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Not from this instance and not a contributor to this community, but just wanna say great job.

Protecting the ideals of your instance is definitely a worthy goal, and I definitely include trans people in the category of people who get shit on undeservedly from on high and deserve way better.

[-] Lionir@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

Sad to hear that's been happening on Blahaj. Full and unambiguous support from me! 🐝

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[-] QualisArtifexPereo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Joining most of the people here in saying, "Huh, what community?" I'm not against trans people, and I despise bigots, but I'm not a part of your community either.

To be honest I don't care to be part of any federated community that defines itself by what it won't tolerate, grow up and use the block feature.

[-] Doug@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

grow up and use the block feature.

I'm really sick of this talking point. If history hasn't demonstrated to you that ignoring a problem doesn't resolve the problem then you take ought to go back and read some more.

If you can't stand to be bothered by others trying to carve out consideration for your fellow humans then I'm glad this may be our only interaction.

[-] CYCLR@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Personally, I don't think about other people's sexuality all that much, so I guess that makes me a non-aggressive supporter.

It's weird to impose this type of stuff, but I respect that this is your little space on the internet, so I'm leaving, as you asked. Thank you for the smiles and laughs.

[-] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago

“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's greatest stumbling block in his strike toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice.'

Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Not to equivocate trans and black liberation because they are very different, but do you think “aggressive” or “non aggressive” supporter of race rights better slots into the whites who demonstrated their unwillingness to go along with racism or the ones who were like “I don’t care about your race, I’m not a racist, but how dare you ask me to support you in any meaningful or visible way?”

[-] CYCLR@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Good point! I do think it's important to support trans rights, but I'd be a hypocrite if I said I AGGRESSIVELY support the cause. There's just a lot going on in my life right now, I just want to keep a clear mind, is all.

That being said, I never agree with or accept signs of transphobia.

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

What I mean by aggressively is, without caveats, without "but..."'s, without ambiguity. Your support needs to be clearly on the support side.

You don't need to be an activist. You don't need to be out marching or even commenting on trans stuff, but your opinion on trans folks should be unambiguously on the "support" side of things.

[-] CYCLR@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Oh, that's a much better description. I think I'll stay for longer then, thank you!

[-] Darthjaffacake@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I'll be honest I think alienating people feeling in the middle is a bad idea, making an echo chainber is ehat those other websites are for, and people on the middle ground are the ones whose beliefs matter the most as they they are the only ones that will change things.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

There shouldnt be any middle ground on the statement "trans rights are human rights". If you think there's room for compromise on the oppression of marginalized groups then you're either a lost cause or willfully ignorant of the world around you. People that are in a safe space, specifically dedicated to them and people like them, have no obligation to educate or entertain disingenuous "discourse" about whether or not they should be allowed to exist.

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[-] kep@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Trans people are cool. Love em. Full human rights for everyone, end discrimination. This post, though, is obnoxious though.

Sending edicts out to the public is never the play. Use your sidebar. Moderate stuff. Make it cool to not be a bigot. But the second you start doing goofy shit like this, you're painting a target on your back and coming across way more fragile than you must actually be.

I personally have a policy about blocking any community that has admins who feel it necessary to try to police people's thoughts. As much as bigots piss me off, this isn't how people conduct themselves in a place that purports to be a safe haven. You don't patronize and denigrate the general public out of frustration, unless you want them as an enemy for some reason. The idea you needed you adjust your terminology in retrospect confirms how poorly you wrote your initial message.

Also, I have to say, "We allowed 196 to be here" is a curious statement. What exactly did you allow? Is opening a community a big endeavor? I've opened up a bunch, and never have I felt like I was owed someone for doing it.

Ban bad behavior. Don't try to tell people how to think. We have a word for the latter and it's not pretty.

[-] Robaque@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They're not telling anyone "how to think". They're telling transphobes and "trans sceptics" to fuck off. And who cares if they do it with a pinned post rather than a sidebar announcement? Some apps hide the sidebar in a menu.

Also when you say you opened a bunch of communities, do you mean you hosted them? Because those two women are literally running the server this instance is running on. Doesn't sound all that easy to me.

[-] LargestDong@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Ohhhh you are that crazy person that loves to censor the shit out of anyone who dares speak out against your insanity

[-] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Brother, that's not how we talk to people. Everyone here is treated like people and respected for their personhood. This isn't a theatre for bigoted nonsense - there's other platforms available if you want to attack people and get that out of your system.

Show people respect or leave people alone - but don't be like that.

[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

She doesn't like to, she does it because queer people are constantly being attacked and berated and then when we get tired of the shit, people get surprised and go, "oh why are you being so defensive, you're overly reactive". And she isn't insane, she's proud, protective, and proactive with a very low tolerance for any indication of more bullshit.

Personally, I would discuss certain events more fully, try to educate and understand, but, for better or for worse, the person with responsibility for the instance and everybody in it decided less chances rather than more and doesn't give a flying fuck what anybody thinks, and the more you press her, the more she's gonna tyrant all over you, and, honestly, most of the users here have her back because she's got ours.

Just... Be better to people, let others walk away from you if they want without YOU being a crazy person and being sensitive, reactive, and lashing out unnecessarily. You ever think about that perspective? You don't have to say anything, just move along and leave us in peace. Maybe once everything cools down in the future, she'll renegotiate and reanalyze and possibly consider reconnecting. Y'all can defed from us crazy folk if you want at that time. You're free to walk away too.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

I get the sentiment but damn are the trans memes painfully unfunny. Y'all gotta get better at making memes or this instance is gonna remain mid.

[-] Arsecroft@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago
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