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EU condemns Hamas for using 'hospitals as human shields', urges Israeli restraint (www.reuters.com)

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[-] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 108 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is completely stupid. If Hamas are hiding in hospitals then surely there's a better fucking way to target them than trying to blow the whole fucking place up. One way would be to send a strike team, after all Israel and Mossad are "famous" for hunting terrorists down after the Munich bombing at the Olympics. Yet the same country can only now resort to cutting off infrastructure and bombing refugee camps, ambulances, schools and hospitals plus which is killing aid workers and drs.

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago

I don’t know how strike teams work and such but I doubt it’s as easy as in Call of Duty.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

OP's a child who's never dealt with violence, war or destroyed infrastructure.

My ex-FIL was a decorated Army vet (Iraq, 2x Bronze Stars), Mississippi National Guard. FFS, those men couldn't get into their own cities after Hurricane Katrina, in peacetime. They cut fucking houses in half and pushed them aside to open the roads.

Send in a strike team?! To a civilian hospital in a war zone?! That's a solid plan to get your men killed on the incursion, OR, get a bunch of civilians killed and THEN lose all your men.

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[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Yeah, for starters your own people are going to get killed.

It would probably have fewer casualties on the enemy side however since some of them might actually live. However, Israel's goal is not to allow Hamas members to survive.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

That would only make sense if the goal wasn't revenge and ethnic cleansing.

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[-] avater@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

This is not as easy as you think. You have to get your team to the target, through terrorists hiding among civilians, through IDE’s that are hidden along the way, through civilians that do not like you. And if you miraculously survive this march without heavy casualties the Hamas are already gone and hide somewhere else…not to forget the civilian casualties that would happen on the way…

[-] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago

jUst sEnd A sTriKe tEam lmao

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Exactly! It surely can't be harder to fight 30,000 embedded terrorists than 8 scattered terrorists in hiding.

I think Israel should give them supplies to continue operation until they can be evacuated. And also Israel should give them notice of evacuation weeks in advance so they can prepare. And Israel should be expected to provide alternate medical care.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

This is a war, so you are basically talking about an urban assault involving thousands of IDF infantry kicking doors down house to house and shooting anyone who shoots at them.

The US did that in Fallujah, and it's pretty gnarly. US had 500 casualties IIRC. The US also told all the residents to evacuate Fallujah before the operation went down.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

That's why they're using this strategy. If there were a ton of Israeli soldier casualties on Bibi's watch, the military might let the public remove him from power, or do it themselves. Netanyahu has every motivation to bomb and starve Gaza. The actual solution would have been to build up Palestinian groups who oppose Hamas and prefer a two state solution, but that isn't the IDF's goal. Their refusal to do so over the last few decades not only led to this war, but should have told supportive nations that too many Zionists are genocidal theocrats.

The most economical endgame for Israel's current military actions is the forceful expulsion of almost all Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank. Occupation is a bad option. They've undermined the movement for coexistence so badly that even a total reversal of policy would be difficult. It's so fucking sad.

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[-] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 5 points 10 months ago

The irony of hiding in a hospital when you literally cause war.

Doesn't it make more sense to argue that the person dropping bombs just doesn't want to admit they missed the target and fucked thousands of people because they're shit at their job? If you were fighting an alien or hunting a foreign agent, and you screwed up and accidentally shot your own family down in flames, you'd probably be rather embarrassed, I sure would be too haha

But hey it's alright nobody will judge even if they knew because the truth is that some jobs suck and just get glamorised on the news and in the media precisely because even the very few who make the cut can still be considered competent

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[-] febra@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

Oh so bombing the hospitals and killing doctors and children was all fine then

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[-] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

It's sad that it took them this long.

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[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

I really thought this was The Onion.

[-] SattaRIP@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Same

[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

US Cops shout "stop resisting" as they beat their victims, then later 'deplore' that they 'brought it on themselves' "Hamas should stop resisting" oh the humanity

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Despite it being a good Reuters article, people aren't even reading the second half of the damn title lol.

Edit: Who am I kidding? We know they are but they're going to ignore it for a reason lol.

[-] MuuuaadDib@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Does anyone have any evidence that this was actually taking place? It seems like the most moronic and easy excuse to get away with war crimes. Hey did you just blow up that school?? Yes....but umm....Hamas was there! No wait... it was their rocket that did it...yeah wasn't us it was them!

Why does everyone think Israel a notorious nation for spying and being shitty is 100% honest in their findings?

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Don't care, dont fucking bomb hospitals you soulless ghouls
Why are we believing Israel at its word when it's proven they're habitual, professional liars who all but admitted their own role in orchestrating the majority of the civilian deaths on 7th October?

I'm 100% certain this claim will be debunked in a week when someone proves they've just decorated an ICU ward with Hamas flags or some shit. I'll remember all the bloodthirsty pricks who woke up excited at the prospect of denying civilians the right to life and freedom over something they know in their hearts is probably a falsehood.

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[-] snek@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Hamas and the Gaza Health ministry have invited the international community to check this themselves and have apparently provided tours and proof from long ago that that AlShifa hospital has nothing underneath it. The company constructing the Indonesian hospital also denied that any tunnels were underneath and debunked the video of Osrael claiming there is a tunnel entrance there. The EU should check first. There isn't much evidence for tunnels under hospitals and almost all Israel "evidence" provided is such low quality. Not sure how "smart" they are when any 14 year old with a shred of knowledge on using audio editors would be able to tell that the phone call was patched up together from two unrelated ones.

[-] FishFace@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

What phone call are you talking about? There was a call relating to the explosion at al Ahli hospital where some people claimed the audio was edited but the only reasoning they had was that one speaker was in one channel and the other speaker in the other channel. That is exactly what you would expect from a wiretap though - the signal for the two speakers is not present in the same wire at the same time, so it needs to be assembled from two separate data sources.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

what you would expect from a wiretap though

Source? I don't really know how wiretaps work.

That audio call has been criticized for all sorts of problems. The dialect, the audio put together, the vagueness of the discussion, the fact that the two people sound like two neighbours chatting and not two vetted resistance fighters, etc.

Another example is Israel's most recent claim that the hospital (Al Shifa this time) refused to receive fuel. The phone call is only a few seconds long, the word "fuel" is never mentioned in it, and as an Arabic speaker, I recognized immediately that they were arguing about the "amount" and not the fuel itself. Yet the IDF have published this as "evidence" that the hospital is refusing the fuel delivery, allowing more babies to die. I think it's quite laughable. Turned out later that the IDF promised 2k liters, then decided to send only 300 liters, which would have powered the hospital for half an hour.... totally ignoring that the main issue is that people are being sniped inside the hospital itself, and the yard is filling up with dead and decomposing bodies, some shot for simply stepping foot outside.

I've considered writing about this at more length. I think the Israeli propaganda machine has the quality you would expect from a hobbyist, yet with high aspirations.

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

The quality and absurdity of IDF propaganda recently gives the impression they don't take it seriously either. It used to be pretty convincing, but I think they're at the point where everyone running the show is an extremist who can't consider the outside perspective. So it becomes this schizophrenic thing where the propaganda is directed at a hypothetical viewer they've envisioned who doesn't really exist. Some of the stuff showing up on my YouTube is straight up uncanny valley weirdness.

Also if everything the IDF is promoting here are the true facts of the situation it still doesn't justify their actions to the world. The number of people who are finally realizing this is at least a good thing. The response to ceasefire protests from the Israel propaganda machine shares the schizophrenic tone with some of the propaganda as well, to the point where they're calling Jewish groups non-Jews and equating peace with anti-Semitism.

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

BRUSSELS, Nov 12 (Reuters) - The European Union on Sunday condemned Hamas for using "hospitals and civilians as human shields" in Gaza, while also urging Israel to show "maximum restraint" to protect civilians.

Hospitals in the north of the Palestinian enclave are blockaded by Israeli forces and barely able to care for those inside, according to medical staff.

"The EU condemns the use of hospitals and civilians as human shields by Hamas," European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said in a statement issued on behalf of the 27-nation bloc.

At the same time, he urged Israel to exercise maximum restraint, stressing the obligation under international humanitarian law to protect hospitals, medical supplies and civilians inside hospitals.

"These hostilities are severely impacting hospitals and taking a horrific toll on civilians and medical staff," Borrell warned.

"In this context, we urge Israel to exercise maximum restraint to ensure the protection of civilians."

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