IDF: Hamas command center found under Gaza children’s hospital; hostages were likely held there (www.timesofisrael.com)

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Some more raw footage https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1724169252054188276

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[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 55 points 11 months ago

Isn't this the video where they used things like a calendar with regular dates and claimed it was a list of Hamas members?

The entire area they showed looked like the power area of the hospital's basement, with various things on the walls and such that indicate hospital and nothing else.

Their only "evidence" in the videos was the pile of guns they showed, which...isn't really evidence of anything, especially since we have no way to tell if those were planted or not.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 38 points 11 months ago

Reminds me of Russia's failed attempt to demonstrate that Nazis were in Ukraine by releasing photos of a 'bust' that was obviously staged and includes gems like multiple copies of The Sims video game which were supposed to be sim cards.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/25/russia-appears-to-confuse-the-sims-for-sim-cards-in-possible-staged-assassination-attempt/

[-] chellewalker@lemmy.ca 20 points 11 months ago

Another video distributed by Russian state news agency RIA showed an inscription in an unidentified book supposedly recovered in the arrest — signed in Russian with the words “signature illegible.”

This whole article is just bonkers.

[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

It's so surreal it kind of makes me wonder if it's really a false flag, because they can't be that incompetent... Right?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It's not about being good. It's about generating headlines.

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 12 points 11 months ago

I mean, there are definitely Nazis fighting for Ukraine. As there were Nazis fighting for Wagner, it's not exactly a secret and they have the symbols right on their uniforms.

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[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lol, yeah. I just had to explain how that kind of manipulation works.

Propaganda is a powerful force when it's used to reinforce an existing bias. Facts are irrelevant because you saw what you wanted to see.

Governments play the propaganda war hard. I am not picking sides over it: It is what it is.

Edit: Confirmation bias. That is the phrase I was referring to.

[-] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 11 months ago

Yes lol. Apparently a terrorist militia command center is less well armed than a random house in Arizona. If you watch this video and are convinced by it, I have a bridge to sell you.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago

Especially with this coming on the heels of that almost pristine copy of Mein Kampf they were pushing as belonging to a Hamas member in a children's room the IDF partially blew up.

[-] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 11 months ago

There's also that video of a "nurse" in perfectly clean scurbs with an Israeli accent that none of the real staff had ever seen before crying that Hamas had taken over the hospital.

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[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 33 points 11 months ago

Hamas using hospitals as human shields is horrific. Israel ignoring the human shields is horrific.

IDF are just clarifying they are awful, as much as Hamas are.

[-] shatal@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately no winners here, as is with most wars.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago

Arms dealers and manufacturers are winning big.

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[-] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Too bad they killed or sent away any journalist or independent organization able to verify their bullshit. So I guess we're supposed to take their word even of they lied more times than I can count?

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Hamas is evil. IDF is evil. Show me a fucking cease fire.

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[-] skhayfa@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

It's a basement of a hospital that hundreds of civilians used as bomb shelter. Weak effort of propaganda from IDF because they know US will support the claim anyway.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Wow this morning it was a hostage holding room now it's a command center, remarkable

[-] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Until a reliable, independent news agency verifies it, any claim from either side should be viewed as misleading. It's also worth noting that it's not just Hamas denying this, it's also the facility itself. Here's part of a report from one of the BBC correspondents in Gaza:

"Israel has accused Hamas of having a command and control centre underneath Shifa - which the group denies.

I have been to the hospital hundreds of time - I was born there, my son was born there, in the last two months of my mum's life, she was inside the kidney dialysis centre and I used to visit her every day.

It is very hard to verify what is underneath. With my eyes, I haven't seen any military capability inside the hospital buildings."

~~Lastly, consider the fact that this hospital is in one of the places the IDF instructed Palestinians to flee to . Are we now saying that the IDF were purposefully trying to place Palestinians in danger by telling them to go to a location where they knew Hamas operated from?~~

Source, time logged 08:14

EDIT: I was referring to the wrong hospital - see my comment below for details.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

With the usual caveat "The IDF says:". Same care is needed to anything "The Hamas says:". Both sides have their agenda, and it is not necessary involving facts and truths.

[-] avater@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

totally agree on that but even our german state news station is reporting that there were foreign journalists with the soldiers on the spot to witness the storage of weapons and other military equipment, so it seems this has at least other sources besides the IDF

and to give perspective on our state news, they usually label any news shared by only one source or side as not independently verified and are financed by law by the german citizens and not some big company with an agenda. So they are by all means not perfect but usually a pretty safe source.

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[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

„Watch IDF Spokesperson RAdm. Daniel Hagari walk through one of Hamas' subterranean terrorist tunnels—only to exit in Gaza's Rantisi hospital on the other side. “

The footage does not show what the tweet suggests. Hagari does not enter the Hospital through a Hamas tunnel. At least not in the version they have uploaded.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Fortieth time's the charm.

[-] deleted@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I started to see a lot of Israel propaganda lately.

[-] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 5 points 11 months ago

Every post on my feed from this world news community is just "IDF: Hamas using baby organs to make bombs".

Probably going to block it

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