Communist parties are banned in Ukraine BTW. (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 years ago by muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2614140

Also a Ukrainian communist i know confirmed it's true

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 48 points 2 years ago

I'm a Leftist who isn't a Communist. There's lots of room on the Left.

[-] abraxas@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Really? I thought we progressives and light-socialists (demsoc or socdem) were really just alt-right and going up against the wall with the rest of them...

(yeah, sarcasm, but those are things people have literally said to my face)

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

Yes, lots of us live in reality and don't try and convince others a utopian society is in any way possible.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Siri what is capitalist realism? Also Marxism is literally a materialist ideology, non-marxist leftists generally follow more utopian ideology.

[-] zephr_c@lemm.ee 47 points 2 years ago

I support any country's right to not be conquered by capitalist, imperialist oligarchs whether I like their internal politics or not. I hate it when the US does it, so it would be hypocritical to not hate it when Russia does the same thing.

[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 14 points 2 years ago

Yup, I was opposed to the U.S.'s imperialist war for oil in Iraq. Just like I oppose Russia's imperialist war for oil in Ukraine.

[-] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] zephr_c@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Eastern Ukraine has a lot of natural gas, actually. Plus Ukraine has a lot of pipelines for getting that natural gas into the rest of Europe. Technically not oil, but one of the main objectives of the war was absolutely about controlling Europe's access to fossil fuels.

[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

The shorter term goal is for Russian oligarchs to sell Europe gas via pipeline so their kids can get education in Europe.

[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 3 points 2 years ago

Yup, my understanding is there is a lot of oil in Ukraine (I think donbas specifically but don't quote me on that). And arguably more importantly, a major pipeline runs through Ukraine. My understanding is the EU is currently very reliant on Russian oil and they would very much like to not be. Hence, why Ukrainian membership to NATO is so attractive.

I think a lot of people in the West dismiss Putin as a nutjob, but I think there is a rational reason for controlling Ukraine. Oil is Russia's largest export after all.

All of that isn't meant to excuse Russia; it's unethical to murder for oil. But it's intellectually lazy to dismiss a rational actor (albeit an unethical actor) as crazy. But capitalism gonna capitalism. And until we put an end to capitalism, people are going to continue to murder for money.